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CircleOfSorrow #1 Posted 08 November 2017 - 03:15 PM

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I was watching some WoT vids on youtube the other night, and QB stated in one that you should never use gold to retrain a crew, as the loss from using silver was small.  I have always thought that you lose a percentage of your total xp when you retrain for silver.  If I am correct, the more advanced a crew is, the more xp you will lose, and the more battles you will have to play to regain the lost experience.  Am I missing something?  I have always used silver for retraining until just recently to retrain a Swedish gril to fight in TD's, but am planning to use gold for a couple of crews when there is a 50% discount on retraining.

 

Taking into consideration;

 

- The total experience of a crew

- Special status crews and their bonus starting 'experience'

- When moving crews between vehicles of the same type

- When a premium vehicle is available to train the crew

 

When should gold and silver be used to retrain crews?  Or perhaps, when is it most effective to use gold or silver to retrain crews? 



ederfe #2 Posted 08 November 2017 - 03:21 PM

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Retraining for same class with silver results in crew dropping from 100% to 90% major qualification (~40k exp drop). Skills are unaffected.

Retraining for different class with silver results in crew dropping from 100% to 80% major qualification (~60k exp drop). Skills are unaffected.

 

That's it! Resetting skills is another matter.

 

As to when to use silver and when to use gold, that is totally up to you. Same class retraining = you are effectively buying 40k exp for 200 gold. Different class retraining = you are effectively buying 60k exp for 200 gold.


Edited by ederfe, 08 November 2017 - 03:39 PM.


K_A #3 Posted 08 November 2017 - 03:26 PM

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When you simply retrain a crew member from one tank to another, you only lose 10% of the primary qualification, regardless of how many skills or perks the crew member has. This is what QB was talking about. 

 

So if you had 2 crew members and you retrain them both for credits:

 

1 has 100% primary + 50% repairs

2 has 100% primary + sixth sense + 100% camo + 100% repairs + 100% BiA + 78% recon

 

after training they would be:

 

1 has 90% primary + 50% repairs

2 has 90% primary + sixth sense + 100% camo + 100% repairs + 100% BiA + 78% recon

 

 

Now, the thing you will want to retrain for gold is skill resets, especially if you have many skills or perks on the crew member as that will take a chunk out of the total xp amount. That means that if you have like a 4-skill crew, resetting the perks/skills for credits will eat up hundreds of thousands of crew xp.


Edited by K_A, 08 November 2017 - 03:40 PM.


Spurtung #4 Posted 08 November 2017 - 03:31 PM

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Short guide:

- when retraining a crew from a tank to another tank, use credits 1

- when resetting skills, use gold 2

 

 

1 When retraining for credits, the major qualification drops to 90% (for a tank of the same class) or 80% (for a tank of a different class). The total loss of XP is, respectively, 39153 and 63857, which is very low and easy to recover, and therefore using gold for this is a waste unless you got gold to spare or an urgent necessity of transferring a crew. The skills remain completely unchanged except when you have a + for a new skill and haven't picked one yet, in which case, you'll be asked if you want to use that "excess" XP (that would go to the new skill) and use it for the major qualification instead.

 

 

2 When resetting skills for credits, the loss is 10% of the total XP of the crew member. This means 10% of the major qualification, 10% of the 1st skill, 10% of the 2nd skill, etc. Then the total value is shown as X full skills + whatever % of another skill, which will reflect the total loss. For example, a crew member with 36% of the 2nd skill will be reset at 99% of the 1st skill (about 27.5k, not a huge loss), while a crew member with 31% of the 5th skill will be reset at 97% of the 4th skill (about 326.6k, a much higher loss).

 

 

In the end, it's all about deciding how much you're losing on resetting skills to decide if it's doable by credits, or if gold is a must. I use this calculator to figure out how much XP is involved. 


Edited by Spurtung, 08 November 2017 - 03:34 PM.


StinkyStonky #5 Posted 08 November 2017 - 03:35 PM

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Many players interchange "retraining" (moving crew to a different tank) with "reseting" (Changing skills, usually to convert skills into perks (6th sense and BiA)).

 

Retraining with gold is unnecessarily expensive - Don't bother - Use silver

Resetting with silver (with the possible exception of 6th sense as 1st perk) is very expensive in lost XP. - If you can, use gold.  If you can't afford it you should probably grind the perks from the start.



Spurtung #6 Posted 08 November 2017 - 03:36 PM

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View PostK_A, on 08 November 2017 - 04:26 PM, said:

Now, the thing you will want to retrain for credits gold is skill resets

Please correct this.



K_A #7 Posted 08 November 2017 - 03:40 PM

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View PostSpurtung, on 08 November 2017 - 02:36 PM, said:

Please correct this.

 

lol, talking about credits and gold and credits and gold and of course I mixed them up.. :rolleyes:

Havenless #8 Posted 08 November 2017 - 03:50 PM

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QB is absolutely right. Spending gold on retraining is for people who don't mind burning a fair amount of real money on the game or who are just plain stupid. However it's still very common so see people retrain every crew member when they get a tank but who whine about the high price of premium tanks. They see no problem in burning 800-1200 gold each time they research a new tank "because it's the only way to get good crews" which is just plain wrong as well.

 

These instances remind me of playing World of Warcraft when I was younger and it cost like 13€/month to play. My friend refused to play it because "it was too expensive" and was whining how could stupid it was to spend so much money on a pixel game that without getting anything "concrete" out of it. On the other hand he spent 5-6€/day on smoking which cost more than 10x more and the only concrete thing he'll get out of it is a lowered life quality and maybe a lethal disease or two at some point. It's all really a matter of perspective.

 

Just retrain with silver and use one of the crew XP reserves. A few battles later you are where you were before.



Balc0ra #9 Posted 08 November 2017 - 03:51 PM

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View PostCircleOfSorrow, on 08 November 2017 - 03:15 PM, said:

 I have always thought that you lose a percentage of your total xp when you retrain for silver.  If I am correct, the more advanced a crew is, the more xp you will lose, and the more battles you will have to play to regain the lost experience.

 

Depends. If the skill reset is for a retrained crew or not. As then you lose the amount of XP needed to get your base % to 100, as it's taken from the skill XP. For instance I have a transferred crew in the SU-100M1. One of them is at 98% base, and on 74% on the second skill. If I reset, the base % goes to 100%, but the 2nd skill drops to 67%. So if their base skill is lower, the % will drop further.

 

Then again the first 50% of a skill is cheaper vs 50 to 100%. So if they are on 90% on the 4th skill, you might notice less of an impact on crew skills, vs if they are on 50% or lower. As in how much point you get pr % for camo or repair etc. So if you do it for silver, you gotta figure if it's worth it or not. As in if it's better to have the commander and loader at 90% and the skills at their current level, vs having them on 100% and having less effective skills. If the crew base % is more vital, then use silver. If the skill loss is to big vs the crew gain, then use gold.


Edited by Balc0ra, 08 November 2017 - 03:52 PM.


CircleOfSorrow #10 Posted 08 November 2017 - 03:54 PM

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Thank you to all the awesome people that answered my query so quickly.  I know it is dimwitted to have been playing this game for so long and not yet understand a fundamental aspect of the game.  It's awesome to find the community to be so forgivingly helpful.

Spurtung #11 Posted 08 November 2017 - 05:26 PM

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View PostCircleOfSorrow, on 08 November 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

Thank you to all the awesome people that answered my query so quickly. I know it is dimwitted to have been playing this game for so long and not yet understand a fundamental aspect of the game. It's awesome to find the community to be so forgivingly helpful.

 

To be honest, it's all in the attitude. I've never seen anyone asking a genuine question being treated harshly by anyone here. It's usually those that start their "question" by complaining about everything and showing they're not willing to learn that get that sort of treatment.

NUKLEAR_SLUG #12 Posted 08 November 2017 - 05:33 PM

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View PostCircleOfSorrow, on 08 November 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

Thank you to all the awesome people that answered my query so quickly. I know it is dimwitted to have been playing this game for so long and not yet understand a fundamental aspect of the game. It's awesome to find the community to be so forgivingly helpful.

 

Retrain your crews on weekends when WG are running their 2x crew xp every battle promotion. Throw a fat crew booster on as well and half a dozen decent battles will return a 90% crew back up to 100% very quickly. If you've got a suitable premium tank to train them in as well it just goes even quicker.  

 

This is what makes me laugh about the all the people that moan every week about WG not running a crew retraining discount. It's so easy to do are people seriously complaining WG aren't giving them chance to spend gold??



Havenless #13 Posted 08 November 2017 - 09:48 PM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 08 November 2017 - 07:33 PM, said:

 

Retrain your crews on weekends when WG are running their 2x crew xp every battle promotion. Throw a fat crew booster on as well and half a dozen decent battles will return a 90% crew back up to 100% very quickly. If you've got a suitable premium tank to train them in as well it just goes even quicker.  

 

This is what makes me laugh about the all the people that moan every week about WG not running a crew retraining discount. It's so easy to do are people seriously complaining WG aren't giving them chance to spend gold??

 

I think people are more whining about crew skill reset promotion, which we haven't seen in ages. And that's for a reason. Resetting skills for a commander or driver for gold makes sense in many cases.

iztok #14 Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:31 PM

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One caveat tho: while crew member is below 100% primary skill, his/her secondary perks or skils don't work. So there is some incentive in retraining for gold.

K_A #15 Posted 08 November 2017 - 11:02 PM

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View Postiztok, on 08 November 2017 - 09:31 PM, said:

One caveat tho: while crew member is below 100% primary skill, his/her secondary perks or skils don't work. So there is some incentive in retraining for gold.

 

Umm, yes they do. They all work right and proper.

Version43 #16 Posted 08 November 2017 - 11:55 PM

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If you have the gold to spare you can:

1) Retrain commanders for gold so you have the full view range to work with and (nearly) the max bonus for the rest of the crew. If you retrain in the same tank line the others are 90% + 10% from gold commander so basically at 100%.

2) Do it with gunners too although buying 100% gunners instead of 75% will make a much bigger difference.



Spurtung #17 Posted 09 November 2017 - 02:02 AM

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View Postiztok, on 08 November 2017 - 11:31 PM, said:

One caveat tho: while crew member is below 100% primary skill, his/her secondary perks or skils don't work. So there is some incentive in retraining for gold.

 

Please, don't spread that kind of BS.

clixor #18 Posted 09 November 2017 - 09:31 AM

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When starting a new line, i usually start at tier6, get 100% crew, and ONLY re-train my commander with gold for tier7 and 8. Reason is that commander has loads of essential skills, and as the xp for next tier isnt that much you'd be playing with a less than 100% commander for the majority of battle of that tier. For tier8 and above it doesnt matter that much imo cause the xp for next tier is much higher, so you'd be playing a smaller percentage of your battles without a 100% commander.

 

Unfortunately WG realized that retraining is a huge gold sink and almost offer no retraining discounts anymore.



Lil_Dimitry #19 Posted 09 November 2017 - 09:41 AM

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I've played this game for almost 3 years now, never have I bought or retrained a crew for gold.

clixor #20 Posted 09 November 2017 - 10:15 AM

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View PostLil_Dimitry, on 09 November 2017 - 09:41 AM, said:

I've played this game for almost 3 years now, never have I bought or retrained a crew for gold.

 

With 2318 battles in 3 years i'd be surprised if you researched much new tiers anyway ;)





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