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DSM_28 #81 Posted 09 November 2017 - 08:51 PM

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OMG, it is like they listened to me when i complained about AT tanks before patch 9.20. I said it is mandatory to replace the barrels (20 pdr) with 32 pdr for at15 and Tortoise stock gun.

    Until tier 7 they only have to increase the max speed from 20 to 27-28 and the guns a tier higher then it is now -  17pdr for at2, 20 pdr for at8 and 32 pdr for at7, those guns need to be 1 tier ahead of heavies. So tier 8 heavy have same gun with tier 7 td.

    For tier 8 and 9 they must increase armor a lot...not only the gun.

     i am currently at Tortoise (140k xp) and the tank suffers a lot against tier 9 and 10. Even when i  hide the right side (cupola), they can easy pen me on the left side in the machine gun, it is a flat surface with only 228 armor, i mean entire flat surface on Tortoise is between 216-228, even most of tier 8 can pen it with regular ammo.

     For tier 10, they need to create something fast, similar with Foch or Obj 268 but heavier and a bit slower.  34,30 kph top speed (typical for British heavy tanks  and current 183). also it should have at least 550 alpha damage with higher dpm then obj 263. Less alpha than that will make it weak.

   

 

  


Edited by DSM_28, 09 November 2017 - 08:53 PM.


theodor2112 #82 Posted 09 November 2017 - 09:02 PM

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Are you gonna fix the order distribuiton system?



papageo_cy #83 Posted 09 November 2017 - 09:17 PM

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Excited about the new French mini line.

I have already gathered around 85k xp on the AMX M4 45, so I think should be enough for the new heavy. Now time to train the crew a little more :justwait:

 

The new map looks like Northwest! I really liked that map, glad it is coming back!

 

Can't wait for the Common Test. Most likely next week



roachex #84 Posted 09 November 2017 - 10:10 PM

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Finaly french HT armored line. Interesting, what will be the final stats. Some leaked info showed crazy gun handling on 120mm gun for tier X. Way better than FV 215b. Is it is true, than this could easily become a beast! :)

Steve8066 #85 Posted 09 November 2017 - 10:13 PM

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Personally, if you arent fixing the 357 MM BS then this update wont be received favourably by me.

ares354 #86 Posted 09 November 2017 - 10:27 PM

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 09 November 2017 - 07:56 PM, said:

AT buffs? no matter how you buff them they will still suck. flat armor with giant cupola weak spots and disgusting trashcannons for the tier they are in. if you buff them the way you buffed the turreted line or the RU251, we already know whats gonna happen. another useless "buff"

 

120 mm gun on Tortie is trash, good to know...

Search_Warrant #87 Posted 09 November 2017 - 10:33 PM

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View Postares354, on 09 November 2017 - 09:27 PM, said:

 

120 mm gun on Tortie is trash, good to know...

 

Attached  to possibly the worst platform in tier. its not all about the gun.

Edited by Search_Warrant, 09 November 2017 - 10:33 PM.


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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 09 November 2017 - 10:33 PM, said:

 

Attached  to possibly the worst platform in tier. its not all about the gun.

BUT IT HAS DPM!!!111!!!!



13685 #89 Posted 09 November 2017 - 10:38 PM

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Not sure this is absolutely the best place to post this, but a quick thought/question on the Grand Battles thing:

 

I love the idea of having 30v30 games scattered into the usual 15v15 gameplay (especially if it features new maps!), but having played a Grand Battle, I noticed that it didn't seem to be counted as a win towards my win/loss-rate in the tank (I noticed because it was in a new tank I'd just bought!), which seems to make the whole exercise a bit futile. As far as I can see, it's exactly the same as a standard battle but with more tanks, but whereas the Assault and Encounter modes do count even though they have quite fundamentally different game rules, Grand Battles don't at the moment? Tier 10 games are expensive to play as it is, especially with more tanks to shoot expensive ammo at, so it makes it fairly unengaging for me if it doesn't really matter if I win or lose either way.

 

Is this just because the mode is still "beta" at the moment?

 

If not, and this is intended behaviour, it seems like this should really be a whole different game-mode selectable from the top menu rather than an extra type of battle alongside the usual three mission-types in the Random Battle queue, because if it doesn't count as a regular random battle for in-game statistics, missions or rewards, then there's not really a good reason to have it in the same rotation at all.

 

I've actually currently disabled Grand Battles after that first game for this reason, but I'd be keen to turn them back on if this changes. :)


Edited by 13685, 10 November 2017 - 12:29 AM.


ares354 #90 Posted 09 November 2017 - 10:49 PM

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 09 November 2017 - 10:33 PM, said:

 

Attached  to possibly the worst platform in tier. its not all about the gun.

 

Su 122 54 is by far worst. But then again, if you buff armor you need to nerf something or you get new T95....

Yea platform is bad, but you cant just add armor now and dont change gun or you will make it op vs some tiers, and vs some tier will be still trash. 

Whaiz #91 Posted 09 November 2017 - 11:07 PM

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The getting in to grand battles needs some fixing, I have played about 20 tier X games in the past week (casual player), can't WG just add like : set priority matchmaking grand battle and problem fixed. It doesn't break other matchmaker, because less tier Xs on matchmaker (More fun for tier 8 and 9), people get to enyoy the endgame content. What is the point if that new map if I am not able to get in atleast one battle in the whole evening, just makes player angry

D_Riceaxe_Ch #92 Posted 09 November 2017 - 11:08 PM

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Good Evening,

I know almost everything is subject to Change in 9.21 as far as it is announced so what im about to talk about might allready be considered.

 

Since T 25/AT, T 25/2, T-34-2, WZ-120 and the ST-I get their HD models I am quiet surprised that they don´t get other changes.

 

From my experience T 25/AT and T25/2 really struggle with their roles as Tier 7 TD´s and could Need buffs especially to their Alpha damage.

The T-34-2 is known to be the weakest medium tank at Tier 8, with bad armor, bad Penetration and bad dpm, and is in serious need of buffs.:child:

The WZ-120 and ST-I are the only Medium and Heavy tanks on Tier 9 that still have 3,4 seconds aimtime, which makes them very vulnerable and clunky to play.:mellow:

The WZ-120 and ST-I really Need their Aimtimes reduced to 2,9 or 3,1 at least.

also the WZ-120 still has -3 gun Depression which makes it rather unplayable, this really seems odd to me since the t-34-3 and 121 got their gun Depression angles buffed to -5 Gun Depression.

 

maybe those changes are meant to make their way into the game later, or are just not announced yet.

I will get the FV 183 before 9.21 for sure.

The new French heavys seem interesting!

 

As for the Badger...I think it Needs just a Little more Hp, maybe 2200-2500 to fulfill it´s role properly as an upgrade to the tortoise.

Other than that, good Job WG, Keep up the good work. Can´t wait to see the HD Maps in particular :)


Edited by D_Riceaxe_Ch, 09 November 2017 - 11:19 PM.


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View PostD_Riceaxe_Ch, on 09 November 2017 - 11:08 PM, said:

Good Evening,

I know almost everything is subject to Change in 9.21 as far as it is announced.

 

Since T 25/AT, T 25/2, T-34-2, WZ-120 and the ST-I get their HD models I am quiet surprised that they don´t get other changes.

 

From my experience T 25/AT and T25/2 really struggle with their roles as Tier 7 TD´s.

The T-34-2 is known to be the weakest medium tank at Tier 8, with bad armor, bad Penetration and bad dpm.

The WZ-120 and ST-I are the only tanks on Tier 9 that still have 3,4 seconds aimtime, which makes them very vulnerable.

also the WZ-120 still has -3 gun Depression which makes it rather unplayable, this really seems odd to me since the t-34-3 and 121 got their gun Depression angles buffed to -5 Gun Depression.

 

maybe those changes are meant to make their way into the game later.

I will get the FV 183 before 9.21 for sure.

The new French heavys seem interesting!

 

As for the Badger...I think it Needs just a Little more Hp, maybe 2200-2500 to fulfill it´s role.

Other than that, good Job WG.

 

More Hp then Jpe100 who has more weakspot ? You have to kidding. 

Edited by ares354, 10 November 2017 - 12:35 AM.


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Dont you dare touch the obj263, what is wrong with you guysss

ares354 #95 Posted 10 November 2017 - 12:48 AM

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I see, in WG eyes Leopard 1 is fine, best tier 10 MT< every player play it now, coz TANK IS so competitive. 

Like WG love to say it; We looking closely into his stats. Germans craps from tier 8 cant get love e ? Churchils tanks ? nope WG ? Maybe T34-2 ? Or WZ 120 ? Nope...hell this patch must be massive. 

WoT_RU_Doing #96 Posted 10 November 2017 - 02:52 AM

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I see lots of off topic stuff here compared to the announcement, but as it IS the first News announcement I can understand it. 1st point I make to WG is that it might be better to separate things out more, so we can discuss individual topics that we care about. You already do this AFTER the update in "Current gameplay>Latest  update"....How about similar sections for "Next Update"?

2nd point I'd like to make is something that occurred to me after attempting to read the whole thread, while looking for more info on British updates....a forum member posted that they were disappointed with only higher tiers being upgraded. I know for a fact when having first achieved the medals for killing ALL non-premium/reward tanks, the Churchill GC is one of the hardest to kill........Because NO-ONE wants to play it......it'd be like asking a Ferrari driver to drive a milk van with 2 wheels. So, if as per announced you are looking at the ones that really need help, I think I found you an extra one, even though I had more fun with it than most reports I've seen.

My 3rd and final point is actually a question....can you confirm that the rumoured spilt in the next update for the USSR Tier 9 T-10 off the IS-7 line will happen, and whether that means we NEED to have the IS-7 researched or in the garage to maintain progress for the tank we intended. OR, can you confirm this is only a rumour, or a future intention?


 

Meanwhile the update certainly looks interesting. Thank you


 



kirtidas #97 Posted 10 November 2017 - 03:37 AM

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View PostBerkut1, on 10 November 2017 - 02:52 AM, said:

I see lots of off topic stuff here compared to the announcement, but as it IS the first News announcement I can understand it. 1st point I make to WG is that it might be better to separate things out more, so we can discuss individual topics that we care about. You already do this AFTER the update in "Current gameplay>Latest  update"....How about similar sections for "Next Update"?

2nd point I'd like to make is something that occurred to me after attempting to read the whole thread, while looking for more info on British updates....a forum member posted that they were disappointed with only higher tiers being upgraded. I know for a fact when having first achieved the medals for killing ALL non-premium/reward tanks, the Churchill GC is one of the hardest to kill........Because NO-ONE wants to play it......it'd be like asking a Ferrari driver to drive a milk van with 2 wheels. So, if as per announced you are looking at the ones that really need help, I think I found you an extra one, even though I had more fun with it than most reports I've seen.

My 3rd and final point is actually a question....can you confirm that the rumoured spilt in the next update for the USSR Tier 9 T-10 off the IS-7 line will happen, and whether that means we NEED to have the IS-7 researched or in the garage to maintain progress for the tank we intended. OR, can you confirm this is only a rumour, or a future intention?


 

Meanwhile the update certainly looks interesting. Thank you


 

 

I am also worried about IS-7 grind too. I am working on it quite a time and I was grinding the line to get IS-7. Please let us know (dear WG) if you are going to split lines and put T-10 to different from IS-7 line, will I have to grind to IS-7 again from the very scratch? 

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IS 6 heavy very bad, no have penetration !!  

 



WascallyWabbit #99 Posted 10 November 2017 - 04:15 AM

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Why do they persist in rolling out new content when the match maker is currently smashed beyond recognition.....fix the basics before adding more content. I've played this game almost from the start, but frankly have given up since 9.17 and the crappy "rework" to MM. Simply little point playing above T7 as its almost always 90% T10 battles. And don't give me any rubbish about that not being true as myself and multiple youtube content providers have done tests in over a hundred games each and came to the same conclussion that MM is broken and in no way resembles what these so called dev's say it is. Fix MM first.

Penzijon3r #100 Posted 10 November 2017 - 07:30 AM

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Tier 8 MM is fine.. play Edited game.

 

This post has been edited by the moderation team due to swearing. 


Edited by VMX, 11 November 2017 - 01:27 PM.





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