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TheOddRogue #1 Posted 09 November 2017 - 08:51 PM

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Since the 1034th buff Löwe received it has become a very strong and formidable tank, maybe a tad bit too strong. 

 

I mean you need gold to pen upper hull, in most tier 8s at least. The turret is more or less impenetrable frontally, even for most tier 10's. It has a great gun, albeit lacking in DPM. It's a monster sidescraper. Don't get me wrong, it's not on T26E5 or defender levels of idiotic OP, since this tank lacks mobility. It's 100 times better than T34 for example, which is a completely outdated pile of trash, I believe it's even more mobile than T34? 

 

Anyway If you haven't been around to buy any OP premiums the löwe is the closest you will get, a solid heavy tank. Kind of like the M4A1 of premium heavytanks. 



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View PostTheOddRogue, on 09 November 2017 - 08:51 PM, said:

Since the 1034th buff Löwe received it has become a very strong and formidable tank, maybe a tad bit too strong. 

 

I mean you need gold to pen upper hull, in most tier 8s at least. The turret is more or less impenetrable frontally, even for most tier 10's. It has a great gun, albeit lacking in DPM. It's a monster sidescraper. Don't get me wrong, it's not on T26E5 or defender levels of idiotic OP, since this tank lacks mobility. It's 100 times better than T34 for example, which is a completely outdated pile of trash, I believe it's even more mobile than T34? 

 

Anyway If you haven't been around to buy any OP premiums the löwe is the closest you will get, a solid heavy tank. Kind of like the M4A1 of premium heavytanks. 

 

Nah, its not OP, its just average now.

its still not fast, lower plate is still huge and weak.

The gun is also still bad, no dpm, no  alpha, and teh gunhandlign isnt even good.

 

And btw, the T26E5 isnt on the same level of OP as the defender and can arguably be called not OP. Lots of people on the forum  see it as balanced.



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View Postbrumbarr, on 09 November 2017 - 09:16 PM, said:

 

Nah, its not OP, its just average now.

its still not fast, lower plate is still huge and weak.

The gun is also still bad, no dpm, no  alpha, and teh gunhandlign isnt even good.

 

And btw, the T26E5 isnt on the same level of OP as the defender and can arguably be called not OP. Lots of people on the forum  see it as balanced.

 

I think it's far from average, but not OP yet...

The armor is awesome for a tier VIII heavy. Not too retar.. ahem, stupidly bouncy like the jap heavies, but still really good.

The gun has 320 alpha, which is a lot imo.

The pen is pretty good.

 

But there is a crapload of more OP tanks like the Defender, Patriot or the Liberté.



X534 #4 Posted 09 November 2017 - 09:37 PM

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I quite like the Lowe and I do think its an overall strong package now but I would stop there as it has enough substantial weaknesses to make it balanced. For starters the dpm is not very good, the mobility is not great either and while the overall Armour is good the lower plate can be penned by most things the tank meets (and the upper plate tier 9's and 10's can penetrate in close engagements).

 

Of course I know the lack of dpm is compensated for by the fact that you do 320 damage and have a gun that once aimed is quite likely to give you that 320 damage.

 

Edit: while almost a moot point at anything other than close range, the lowe does have a small weakness on the side while side scraping but its tiny


Edited by X534, 09 November 2017 - 09:42 PM.


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View PostTheOddRogue, on 09 November 2017 - 08:51 PM, said:

Since the 1034th buff Löwe received it has become a very strong and formidable tank, maybe a tad bit too strong. 

 

I mean you need gold to pen upper hull, in most tier 8s at least. The turret is more or less impenetrable frontally, even for most tier 10's. It has a great gun, albeit lacking in DPM. It's a monster sidescraper. Don't get me wrong, it's not on T26E5 or defender levels of idiotic OP, since this tank lacks mobility. It's 100 times better than T34 for example, which is a completely outdated pile of trash, I believe it's even more mobile than T34? 

 

Anyway If you haven't been around to buy any OP premiums the löwe is the closest you will get, a solid heavy tank. Kind of like the M4A1 of premium heavytanks. 

 

Solid but not OP. I prefer Lowe to any t8 heavy but its still a slow tank with super low dpm and meh alpha. Though I agree great gun + gun dep + good turret (you can pen it, I wont tell you where since I don't like my Lowe penned)

Balc0ra #6 Posted 09 November 2017 - 09:51 PM

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It's not OP. It's good. Lower plate is still paper tho. So even lower tiers can pen that head on. But turret has always been strong, so has the gun. Only two good things about it since it arrived. Side armor buff was def needed. But even that did not make it OP. But unlike most HT's, the biggest enemy he has is open ground, and mine avoids it like the plague. Even after the engine was buffed.


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Also it's not op for one simple reason - noobs do bad in it. It requires some skill to do well in.

Phobos4321 #8 Posted 09 November 2017 - 10:19 PM

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oh it was buffed so many times  and i just remember  some stuff like a few more shells in storage (not that i ever run out of ammo before)

than there was the concept for a löwe and a schwerer löwe  wg took the worse of both to form the ingame tank 

that was fixed this year

 

more or less impentrable  frontally ?  than i must have a monday model

 

you got about 200-220mm cheeks

a strip of ~170mm armor below the mantlet

a rather large and weak copula

320 damage got no scare factor even  less with its dpm

while most heavies got about 400 damage and at least  25% more dpm

 

i mean the patriot got about the same level of armor protection  ok about 100mm less upper plate  but than again got the mobility of a med. and 500more dpm

the liberte comes along without frontal weakspots beside the copula is far more mobile and got at 300 more dpm

comparing it the defender or chrysler would be even more pointless

 

also think about you almost get t10 games every time  and the average gold pen. of t8 meds and heavies should be somewhere between 250-260 pen.

while t8 tds packs up to 334  pen (with RNG thats up to 417,5 pen.)

and right now it mostly seems  :

1 bounce next shell will be gold  if not spamming 100% gold right from the start

so you mostly need nominal armor of 250-300mm thickness, autobounce angless or  spaced armor  to even think about relying on your armor

 



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It´s capable, but far from OP. Gun is reliable, but lacks alpha and dpm. Armor is only good if you put it in the right situations, on its own it hardly bounces anything - and sidescraping only works because hardly anybody realized the Löwe has a weakspot right under the turret that gets de-angled if you sidescrape. And its quite big and slow on top of that.

 

It´s actually a fairly balanced tank. Yeah, its probably better than most other tanks you can get from the tech tree for gold, but that isnt saying much...



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Not really. It's just an opponent you have to take seriously now, not laugh at while shrugging it aside like in the past. It's still pretty easy to pen frontally, it still doesn't go anywhere fast and it still doesn't have dpm.

Derethim #11 Posted 09 November 2017 - 11:13 PM

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It any tanks need fixing it's the jap heavies, Maus and it's copies (The VK.100.000P and the Mauschen), Defender, Liberté, Patriot and Skorpion G.

Yes, Skorpion G is overpowered. If you can pen it, it doesen't mean a premium tank should be a faster Rhm. Borsig, which is already a great tank. And the camo doesen't matter at all when everyone plays it like a paper medium.



hasnainrakha57 #12 Posted 10 November 2017 - 12:41 AM

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Lowe is well balanced nice gold ammo pen if lower plate angled 200mm or less penetration cannot pen lowe u can use turret armor by hiding hull and lfp.as for t34 it is rubbish tank now.



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So, basically it boils down to the question:

 

What is Lowe?



enu_ #14 Posted 10 November 2017 - 01:41 AM

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baby dont hurt me

ExclamationMark #15 Posted 10 November 2017 - 01:42 AM

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No, though it's certainly better than a lot of T8 regular heavies now.

Edited by ExclamationMark, 10 November 2017 - 01:57 AM.


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View PostPansenmann, on 10 November 2017 - 01:36 AM, said:

So, basically it boils down to the question:

 

What is Lowe?

 

Well I learned something new.

 

lowe
 
noun
 
ScottishNorthern English
noun: lowe; plural noun: lowes
  1. a warm light, especially one produced by fire.
    "a lowe that crackled to yellow and red"


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View Postenu_, on 10 November 2017 - 12:41 AM, said:

baby dont hurt me

 

dont hurt me

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View PostTheOddRogue, on 10 November 2017 - 02:21 AM, said:

 

dont hurt me

 



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Lowe is more OP than Skorpion G or Patriot. 

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View Postogremage, on 10 November 2017 - 07:25 AM, said:

Lowe is more OP than Skorpion G or Patriot. 

 

what are you smoking ? you should take less ...




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