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hasnainrakha57 #1 Posted 10 November 2017 - 12:49 AM

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T54e1 is balanced but a buff to gun handling will make it purely balanced.

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It needs a better pen as well.

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View Post_EXODUZ_, on 09 November 2017 - 11:53 PM, said:

It needs a better pen as well.

Hmm agreed 



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View Post_EXODUZ_, on 10 November 2017 - 12:53 AM, said:

It needs a better pen as well.

 

I don't think it does if it gets better gun handling though. The problem is low-ish pen + crap gun handling combo. You can't actually hit weakspots. If the gun handling was better the tank would automatically hit + pen more.

adameitas #5 Posted 10 November 2017 - 09:45 AM

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another tank based on gold ammo use. If you use more gold ammo you perform better if you use less - you fail.. Like paton, t54 and others.

Phobos4321 #6 Posted 10 November 2017 - 09:59 AM

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http://wotreplays.eu...hobos4321-t54e1

http://wotreplays.eu...hobos4321-t54e1

http://wotreplays.eu...hobos4321-t54e1

 

i would mainly like it to carry some more ammo as you you run out of it rather easy



Mimos_A #7 Posted 10 November 2017 - 10:00 AM

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View Postadameitas, on 10 November 2017 - 09:45 AM, said:

another tank based on gold ammo use. If you use more gold ammo you perform better if you use less - you fail.. Like paton, t54 and others.

 

The Patton is fine without gold ammo.

unrealname #8 Posted 10 November 2017 - 10:28 AM

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i guess 210 pen was fine back in the day, but now u cant even pen tier 8s reliably with that, so yeah its a huge credit sink in many battles, well depends on teams setup, sometimes u dont need any apcr at all. Gun handling itself is another story, i find it okish with BIA+vents+EGLD+vstab and cola on top of that. with a bad crew its probably one of the worst tanks to play at tier 9 i guess.

 

But anyway its still way better than T69, that thing with current mm is just utter trash.

 

p.s. u might say, yeah but its an autoloader with high burst dmg, yes it is, but 1st try to hit anything at mid to long range and then pray for rngesus to get a good pen roll. Even though im dishing out tier 10 level of dmg in it, when im finished grinding for T57, i highly doubt that i t will stay in my garage. For me it feels like this is one of tanks that is great and complete crapbag at the same time, too much rng involved :D


Edited by Bond90, 10 November 2017 - 10:36 AM.


ZlatanArKung #9 Posted 10 November 2017 - 10:31 AM

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I think T54E1 has the powerlevel of a T9 tank.
It is balanced.

If other tanks at T9 are more powerful, they should get nerfed imo.
 

View Postadameitas, on 10 November 2017 - 09:45 AM, said:

another tank based on gold ammo use. If you use more gold ammo you perform better if you use less - you fail.. Like paton, t54 and others.

I admit that I fired some prem shells at Jap heavies when 3 marking it.

 

Not only do the prem shell have higher Penetration.  They also have much better shell velocity.

So if you have infinite money, there is no reason to not fire prem shells in it.

Which is just another reason why prem shell idea is stupid.


 

MrClark56 #10 Posted 10 November 2017 - 10:50 AM

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buying mine as soon as there is a sales at tier 9

 



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210 ap penetration seems better if they make it 225mm it will be perfect as we know 255mm for gold ammo is worst.Either buff ap or apcr and reducing gun dispersion to 0.36 and aim time to 2.5s if u compare t54e1 with other tier 9 autoloaders then t54e1 is way far behind. Take example of amx 50 120 it has better aim time,accuracy,more speed,and penetration of tier 10.

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Been a while since I last played the T54E1. Must have been over 2 years at least. I recall the penetration back then to be workable still, but found the accuracy along with bad gun handling to be far more an issue; you'd be lucky to hit even 2 or 3 rounds at anything but close range. One situation I still clearly remember, on El Haluf, trying to finish off a 1-shot M26 Pershing out in the open: I needed the full drum, all 4 rounds, as 2 missed and one failed to penetrate.

 

Just checked tanks.gg to compare it with the M46 Patton, Skoda T 50, and BatChat 25t AP; The T54E1 has worse accuracy and gun handling than all of them. Excellent gun handling it the trade mark of the M46, and should stay that way. But the other 3 auto-loader mediums get better penetration, and better gun handling. The T54E1 muzzle velocity for the standard AP round is listed as 1.067 m/s; it's higher than the M46 and BatChat 25t AP. Thus it makes little sense to have lower penetration. I would suggest about 235-240 mm penetration with standard AP rounds (keep in mind that the 8.8 cm KwK 43 L/71 already achieved 220 - 225 mm at 1.000 m/s, Wargaming nerfed its performance using BS reasons). And 0.15, 0.15, 0.10 on dispersion.

 

N.B. Penetration performance between AP and APCR at comparable velocity would differ of course, due to different kinetic density. I should do some calculations as Tier IX penetration seems rather inconsistent and illogical (M46 has 945 m/s with AP yet gets 218 mm penetration vs T51E1 at 1.067 m/s and 210 mm. The E-50 gets 220 mm with 1.200 m/s, and the BatChat 25t AP gets 232 mm with 1.000 m/s).

 

Here's an excellent and informative read on it by ZeZergling (no longer active here sadly): http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/72763-analysis-of-kinetic-energy-of-ww2-tank-guns-with-wot/



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View PostMimos_A, on 10 November 2017 - 09:00 AM, said:

 

The Patton is fine without gold ammo.

 

t9 patton?:) then you are rare and lucky person:)

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It only needs better pen, nothing else.

 

245 on the T54E1

202 on the T69

 

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adameitas #15 Posted 10 November 2017 - 12:07 PM

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 10 November 2017 - 09:32 AM, said:

I admit that I fired some prem shells at Jap heavies when 3 marking it.

 

Not only do the prem shell have higher Penetration.  They also have much better shell velocity.

So if you have infinite money, there is no reason to not fire prem shells in it.

Which is just another reason why prem shell idea is stupid.

 

problem is that it is autoloader. There are many situation where you would need 1 gold ammo and 3 another could be standart ammo just fine. But it autoloader.. So you often need to load gold clip otherwise it can cost you too much in game result. Also t54 is so slow comapre with t50 or bat.. you cant even run to safe place to reload. All in all i am sure it gonna be buffed it is old generation medium autoloader (i think it was even first of its type) and it simply doesnt fit nowadays wot. Correct me if i am wrong butt i think they added t54 before adding free gold ammo.

hasnainrakha57 #16 Posted 10 November 2017 - 01:03 PM

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T69 is also worst now i wonder when last time it was touched by wg.t69 and t54e1 need serious work to their guns.

Balc0ra #17 Posted 10 November 2017 - 01:15 PM

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Considering the T57HT gun handling was nerfed to make it a close quarters tank, not a sniper. I'm guessing they want the same for this.

 

View PostCobra6, on 10 November 2017 - 12:04 PM, said:

It only needs better pen, nothing else.

 

245 on the T54E1

202 on the T69

 

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Not gonna argue on the T69 pen. The buffed pen did work for a bit. But with all the armor added of late, and considering they even buffed the Type 59 Patton to 200+. It's not the only US 90mm gun on tier 8 that needs it.

 

And considering WG said when it arrived "it's a clip tank, more pen will only break it", and a 232 pen 25t AP and 248 pen Skoda T 50 has arrived since then. It makes no sense to keep his pen that much lower. Meta has changed since it came. It's the one clip tank I'm not worried to face when I have "armor". Even in a tier 8. As if he gets below average on 2 shots, that's at least 2 bounces.

 



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Not only is the problem of that tank the combo of terrible pen and gun handling but also the heavy tank level mobility.

 

Id buff its hp/t from 14.8 to 16.8 and top speed from 43 to 48. Then id buff the pen from 210 to 230 or dispersions from 0.2 0.2 0.14 to 0.15 0.15 0.1 and aimtime from 2.9 to 2.5


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View PostDr_Oolen, on 10 November 2017 - 01:16 PM, said:

Not only is the problem of that tank the combo of terrible pen and gun handling but also the heavy tank level mobility.

 

Id buff its hp/t from 14.8 to 16.8 and top speed from 43 to 48. Then id buff the pen from 210 to 230 or dispersions from 0.2 0.2 0.14 to 0.15 0.15 0.1 and aimtime from 2.9 to 2.5

 

I still don't think pen buff is necessary (maybe to 220 max), but other buffs are justified and good idea IMO.

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View Postadameitas, on 10 November 2017 - 12:02 PM, said:

 

t9 patton?:) then you are rare and lucky person:)

 

For me it works, I carry something like 5 prem rounds in it, seem to be doing fine. And my stats in it include grinding the gun.




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