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mezentericus #1 Posted 10 November 2017 - 08:07 PM

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I dunno if I'm the single one that has this problem but...I think that Excelsior (a name that ''inspires fear'' xD) it's freaking underunderpowered for it's tier. I mean how the heck to have 91 mm pen with AP...I can barely pen a KV-1 in the weakspot and for the Experimental (from the last version has a lot of armor) I'm just a cockroach. I would be ok if it had a little bit more armor but 114 mm can pe penned by almost every single tier V (not stock ofc). Of course...gold ammo is the solution like always but the game becomes a pay to win in the last time. Of course, WG did some nice work with the last updates, and it's like they woke up, but I'm saying this because it's quite frustrating to be overwhelmed by a normal tank when you are a premium, paid tank (prems are supposed to be better than their normal omologues, because we PAID FOR THEM HUH?  Anyway... I'm posting this just to know if there are any other players which face the same situations with other tanks, because I have the same problems with some tier 8-s, *cough cough IS-6, Ravioli cough cough*, but I won't post them there because it would take a heck-long time. I think they should buff a little the Excelsior, and not just it, but even some other tier V prems...

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I haven't played mine in two-years. . .

 

Absolutely HATE the gun.



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My first gold tank and I agree, its disappointing. It's also very unpredictable with its armour, drunken gods of RNG.

Balc0ra #4 Posted 10 November 2017 - 09:53 PM

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I still enjoy mine. And it's actually the last tank I did 3 mark. Sure you need to press 2 a few times if you go the HT line. But in a +1 game, going the med line vs the enemy O-I's.. It's still a good tool due to the mobility. And the armor works as top tier on anything besides some HT's and TD's. Meds usually have 110 pen give or take. So that can still work. Issue is that most tier 5 prem HT's, with the exception of the Churchill III have less then 100mm of pen. T14, Excelsior and the KV-220 all sit around 91/92 pen. So a KV-1 with a slight angle has always been an issue. Unless you face one of those 3 premiums using AP that is. Then just press 2 and roll over it, or spam the 220 turret with AP. As I suspect you don't play it for the income.

 

I still enjoy mine from time to time. It's done loads of HT's missions for me on the first two reward tanks. But you still need to press 2 a tad to much on it. It's one of the few tanks I run a 50/50 load on. It's not as bad off as the IS-6 tier for tier. But 110 pen ish would make a world of difference even. As that would be enough for the tier 5 HT's. But O-I still has 150mm tho. And those 35mm spots behind the headlamp is not easy to hit always.

 

There are a few premiums on tier 5 still that are round 86 to 92 pen. And it's not working anymore. Matilda IV with it's 102mm gold pen is even useless at times. So it's not the only one that needs a slight pen buff to be ideal again. But IS-6 and KV-5 needs it more. And we don't know what premiums will get buffed next patch, or the one next year. As all patches until March will buff a few premiums, as they are "balance focus patches". So who knows.

 



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View Postmezentericus, on 10 November 2017 - 08:07 PM, said:

I dunno if I'm the single one that has this problem but...I think that Excelsior (a name that ''inspires fear'' xD) it's freaking underunderpowered for it's tier. I mean how the heck to have 91 mm pen with AP...I can barely pen a KV-1 in the weakspot and for the Experimental (from the last version has a lot of armor) I'm just a cockroach. I would be ok if it had a little bit more armor but 114 mm can pe penned by almost every single tier V (not stock ofc). Of course...gold ammo is the solution like always but the game becomes a pay to win in the last time. Of course, WG did some nice work with the last updates, and it's like they woke up, but I'm saying this because it's quite frustrating to be overwhelmed by a normal tank when you are a premium, paid tank (prems are supposed to be better than their normal omologues, because we PAID FOR THEM HUH?  Anyway... I'm posting this just to know if there are any other players which face the same situations with other tanks, because I have the same problems with some tier 8-s, *cough cough IS-6, Ravioli cough cough*, but I won't post them there because it would take a heck-long time. I think they should buff a little the Excelsior, and not just it, but even some other tier V prems...

 

Always been under-powered when it first came out the only good thing about it really was it's frontal armor and rate of fire, other than that never really been any good.

StrikeFIN #6 Posted 10 November 2017 - 10:30 PM

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There is still one which is much worse, Matilda IV with 86 penetration ;D

TankkiPoju #7 Posted 10 November 2017 - 11:34 PM

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Completely overpowered with full APCR.

 

Completely crap without.


Edited by TankkiPoju, 10 November 2017 - 11:35 PM.


Axarn #8 Posted 11 November 2017 - 12:15 AM

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Excelsior and T14 are tanks i rather not play in tier V. I'll stick to either my Churchill III or KV-220-2

Browarszky #9 Posted 11 November 2017 - 12:16 AM

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Whenever someone mentions Excelsior...

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRf1zI2IoWQ



TsundereWaffle #10 Posted 11 November 2017 - 12:51 AM

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It’s pretty pathetic

Bennie182 #11 Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:02 AM

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it has dpm, that others don't have.

Bordhaw #12 Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:50 AM

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I got this for a Brit heavy tank crew trainer. But then quickly realised Brit heavy tanks are ****. As for the Excelsior the side armour is poor and the gun requires gold ammo which everyone knows and I have now learnt lol 

LR130 #13 Posted 11 November 2017 - 12:11 PM

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Pen is not the main issue for me, its the horrible gun handling. Cant hit sh@it unless you are up close. With better accuracy, wich the british line is suppose to be know for, you could actually hit those darn weak spots...

Pandabird #14 Posted 11 November 2017 - 05:34 PM

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Brit guns used to handle quite well before the global accuracy nerf

Balc0ra #15 Posted 11 November 2017 - 09:13 PM

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View PostStrikeFIN, on 10 November 2017 - 10:30 PM, said:

There is still one which is much worse, Matilda IV with 86 penetration ;D

 

That kinda worked when I bought it back in 2012 as my first premium, and I had no issues doing damage with it as gold ammo was still for gold back then. And there were no Jap Ht's or AT-2's. Just the Hetzer with the sloped troll armor that bounced a few now and then. Now.. 102 gold ammo don't even cut it half the time with all the new armor around. That tank really needs some buffs.

 

They just buffed it on WOT Blitz infarct. 110 AP pen and 155 gold pen.  That and they buffed the engine to 320 HP, on both that and the Matilda BP.


Edited by Balc0ra, 11 November 2017 - 09:14 PM.


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View PostLR130, on 11 November 2017 - 11:11 AM, said:

Pen is not the main issue for me, its the horrible gun handling. Cant hit sh@it unless you are up close. With better accuracy, wich the british line is suppose to be know for, you could actually hit those darn weak spots...

 

I have all the improved equipment I can mount on it, vents, rammer, stabilizer and the gun handling it's OK, the sides are pure and sample crap, so you can pe penetrated even by tier IV-s in sidescraping, the front is penned by almost every heavy of it's tier and yes, I buyed freaking 12 gold rounds on it but still can't do the 3rd mark, and it's so frustrating that I had 92% and always tier VI tier VI tier VI, I can't handle it on tier V, what the heck I'm supposed to do to O-I, or Churchill VII...whatever...They should consider buffing it on PC as they did on Blitz...is a freaking prem, I'm not paying money to be utterly destroyed by any tier V normal heavy xD

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View PostBennie182, on 11 November 2017 - 10:02 AM, said:

it has dpm, that others don't have.

 

DPM for tier IV, bcoz DPM doesn't counts if you bounce as hell every single heavy of you tier :D

mezentericus #18 Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:24 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 10 November 2017 - 08:53 PM, said:

I still enjoy mine. And it's actually the last tank I did 3 mark. Sure you need to press 2 a few times if you go the HT line. But in a +1 game, going the med line vs the enemy O-I's.. It's still a good tool due to the mobility. And the armor works as top tier on anything besides some HT's and TD's. Meds usually have 110 pen give or take. So that can still work. Issue is that most tier 5 prem HT's, with the exception of the Churchill III have less then 100mm of pen. T14, Excelsior and the KV-220 all sit around 91/92 pen. So a KV-1 with a slight angle has always been an issue. Unless you face one of those 3 premiums using AP that is. Then just press 2 and roll over it, or spam the 220 turret with AP. As I suspect you don't play it for the income.

 

I still enjoy mine from time to time. It's done loads of HT's missions for me on the first two reward tanks. But you still need to press 2 a tad to much on it. It's one of the few tanks I run a 50/50 load on. It's not as bad off as the IS-6 tier for tier. But 110 pen ish would make a world of difference even. As that would be enough for the tier 5 HT's. But O-I still has 150mm tho. And those 35mm spots behind the headlamp is not easy to hit always.

 

There are a few premiums on tier 5 still that are round 86 to 92 pen. And it's not working anymore. Matilda IV with it's 102mm gold pen is even useless at times. So it's not the only one that needs a slight pen buff to be ideal again. But IS-6 and KV-5 needs it more. And we don't know what premiums will get buffed next patch, or the one next year. As all patches until March will buff a few premiums, as they are "balance focus patches". So who knows.

 

 

I know...I didn't said that just the Excelsior needs a buff...there are some tier V prems that are forgotten...and of course I don't play it for income...it's fun when you bully the tier 4, 5 and sometimes tier V (except HTs of course), for money I got the Revalorise :)




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