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nordlander_carl #1 Posted 11 November 2017 - 01:29 AM

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Isn't it annoying to hear this?

You have invested in a heavy tank, and upgraded it to the highest gun.

This isn't enogh, you can't even scratch enemy tanks?

In reality , the enemy tank would be scrap after 2-3 hits by your canon, but in this game you didn't even scratch them?



mrmoff10 #2 Posted 11 November 2017 - 01:44 AM

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I hear you. Which heavy have you bought?

HugSeal #3 Posted 11 November 2017 - 01:52 AM

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View Postnordlander_carl, on 11 November 2017 - 01:29 AM, said:

Isn't it annoying to hear this?

You have invested in a heavy tank, and upgraded it to the highest gun.

This isn't enogh, you can't even scratch enemy tanks?

In reality , the enemy tank would be scrap after 2-3 hits by your canon, but in this game you didn't even scratch them?

 

Yeah, it would be such an improvement to gameplay if you could simply scrap any tank with 2 or 3 hits in your heavy tank without aiming. What an incredibly well thought through suggestion OP.

 

Sadly though WG actually thought that was a good idea. So just play the Type 5.

 

It's either that or imply learn a bit about aiming and game mechanics. If you upload a replay of a game where you cannot hurt the enemies to wotreplays.com we could take a look for you and give some pointers.



Jigabachi #4 Posted 11 November 2017 - 02:08 AM

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View Postnordlander_carl, on 11 November 2017 - 01:29 AM, said:

Isn't it annoying to hear this?

You have invested in a heavy tank, and upgraded it to the highest gun.

This isn't enogh, you can't even scratch enemy tanks?

In reality , the enemy tank would be scrap after 2-3 hits by your canon, but in this game you didn't even scratch them?

Maybe learn to play so that you can make your shots penetrate the enemy tank? You clearly aren't ready for those higher tier tanks, stick to tiers one to five until you managed to understand the very basics of the game.

 



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View Postnordlander_carl, on 11 November 2017 - 01:29 AM, said:

Isn't it annoying to hear this?

You have invested in a heavy tank, and upgraded it to the highest gun.

This isn't enogh, you can't even scratch enemy tanks?

In reality , the enemy tank would be scrap after 2-3 hits by your canon, but in this game you didn't even scratch them?

 

Because you missed. Aim better.

Balc0ra #6 Posted 11 November 2017 - 03:50 AM

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Just because you have the top gun on a HT, don't mean you can pen everything. Based on your HT's you have played, it's not even true for most of them. Tiger P has good pen for a tier 7 HT. But the 88 is no auto pen gun. If you want that vs equal tiers. Play a TD. The 88 lacks caliber to overmach everything you face with auto aim or snap shots. So even with that gun, you need to aim at weakspots. As 203 pen is not enough for most turrets even if you get a bad roll. Even less so if on the T29.

 

So if you want reality. Your Tiger P with the 88 would not last long vs 105mm and 122mm guns most HT's you face have. As proven when the firs IS gun faced a Tiger... and more or less wrecked it on one shot after taking more then one hit.



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View Postnordlander_carl, on 11 November 2017 - 12:29 AM, said:

Isn't it annoying to hear this?

You have invested in a heavy tank, and upgraded it to the highest gun.

This isn't enogh, you can't even scratch enemy tanks?

In reality , the enemy tank would be scrap after 2-3 hits by your canon, but in this game you didn't even scratch them?

 

 


 

My Baseline Auto Detect system just went off. It filters posters and if they aren't also complaining about how their armour sucks they must be camping at the back.



Gremlin182 #8 Posted 11 November 2017 - 09:39 AM

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You know the enemy armour you know what your gun is likely to penetrate at different ranges with each ammo type or should do.

 

There will be situations where you cannot easily take out some tanks this is both realistic and working as intended in the game.

You will meet tanks that can just autoaim at you and every shot will damage you at any range while you cannot do the same to them, this is also realistic and working as intended.



Blubba #9 Posted 11 November 2017 - 09:45 AM

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I am often amazed at how many people on this forum don't actually read the initial post or just inject things between the words, implied or otherwise to produce some diatribe. This forum could be so much more. Such a shame.



RamRaid90 #10 Posted 11 November 2017 - 09:54 AM

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Study the weakspots of same tier heavy tanks using: www.tanks.gg

 

When bottom tier you are likely to only be able to penetrate the highest tier heavies on the sides and rear, so normally in a heavy tank it is ideal to play as more of a sluggish medium (of course there are exceptions such as the Jap DERPS)

 

At top tier being aggresive is not always the best strategy. Innacurate guns are much better at close range, whereas tanks with better guns tend to have worse armour so hanging on the support line and picking HP off before the enemy reaches your position is normally best.

 

Upload some replays to wotreplays.com and we can try and help you.

 

 


Edited by RamRaid90, 11 November 2017 - 09:59 AM.


Jigabachi #11 Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:14 AM

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View PostBlubba, on 11 November 2017 - 09:45 AM, said:

I am often amazed at how many people on this forum don't actually read the initial post or just inject things between the words, implied or otherwise to produce some diatribe. This forum could be so much more. Such a shame.

I guess you mean my post, so please feel free to point out where I'm wrong with anything I wrote.



AliceUnchained #12 Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:18 AM

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View Postnordlander_carl, on 11 November 2017 - 01:29 AM, said:

Isn't it annoying to hear this?

You have invested in a heavy tank, and upgraded it to the highest gun.

This isn't enogh, you can't even scratch enemy tanks?

In reality , the enemy tank would be scrap after 2-3 hits by your canon, but in this game you didn't even scratch them?

 

In reality, your heavy tank would also be out after a single penetrating hit...

HugSeal #13 Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:13 AM

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View PostBlubba, on 11 November 2017 - 09:45 AM, said:

I am often amazed at how many people on this forum don't actually read the initial post or just inject things between the words, implied or otherwise to produce some diatribe. This forum could be so much more. Such a shame.

 

You mean the original post that does nothing but ooze of ignorance, expressing a want for heavies to be utterly broken?

 

What I find more amazing is the people who likes to reply to threads with some random unclear somewhat whiny statement but without any real value. Just a way to put themlsvles on a small (very small) pedestal.



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View PostHugSeal, on 11 November 2017 - 11:13 AM, said:

 

You mean the original post that does nothing but ooze of ignorance, expressing a want for heavies to be utterly broken?

 

What I find more amazing is the people who likes to reply to threads with some random unclear somewhat whiny statement but without any real value. Just a way to put themlsvles on a small (very small) pedestal.

 

To fair if the OP is finding himself up against the recent super-heavies then he may have a valid point.

malachi6 #15 Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:29 AM

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As an average player.  I am still aware that all tanks have sides / rear and tracks.  Can't pen him?  Keep him tracked for those that can.  Not good for WN8 but hey, team play is for noobs.

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View Postnordlander_carl, on 11 November 2017 - 12:29 AM, said:

Isn't it annoying to hear this?

You have invested in a heavy tank, and upgraded it to the highest gun.

This isn't enogh, you can't even scratch enemy tanks?

In reality , the enemy tank would be scrap after 2-3 hits by your canon, but in this game you didn't even scratch them?

 

Yes it can be but angles and 'thickness' of armour is what it's about.

Hit a Caernaervon last night with ISU 152, some 260mm of penetration using standard AP,  that was the message I got. Shame really as he then killed me before I could scurry back into cover:(

Often dispersion of the gun you are using is the factor, 152 gun is 0.41, so when fully aimed at say 300m then your aiming "circle" covers half the tank you are aiming at.

Accurate sniping can be a bit hit and often as not miss.

 



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View Postnordlander_carl, on 11 November 2017 - 01:29 AM, said:

Isn't it annoying to hear this?

You have invested in a heavy tank, and upgraded it to the highest gun.

This isn't enogh, you can't even scratch enemy tanks?

In reality , the enemy tank would be scrap after 2-3 hits by your canon, but in this game you didn't even scratch them?

 

no, because you failed to pen the tank.. enemy tanks are only scrap when you actually damage them.. you aren't damaging them

 

and the highest gun on a tank doesn't guarantee an auto-pen on anything you meet, you have to aim at the weaker armour, not just the strongest possible


 

you can damage enemy tanks with heavies, if you aim right

 

and after 5000 games, I would have thought you would know this by now?


 


Edited by Isharial, 11 November 2017 - 07:55 PM.


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Well I have a Tiger P,  with a 8,8 KWK 43/L71,  in WW2 it mostly took out enemy tanks in one shot, here I can't penetrate other heavy tanks.

I hit them right in the front, no more angle than 70-80 degrees, they can harm me but I can't harm them.

Do I need to buy tungsten projectiles?

 

And I have checked, no one have over 200 mm armor, mostly 100-150  mm.

Recently, I didn't harm a T10, 120 mm armor in the front...


Edited by nordlander_carl, 18 November 2017 - 10:07 PM.


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View Postnordlander_carl, on 18 November 2017 - 09:38 PM, said:

Well I have a Tiger P,  with a 8,8 KWK 43/L71,  in WW2 it mostly took out enemy tanks in one shot, here I can't penetrate other heavy tanks.

I hit them right in the front, no more angle than 70-80 degrees, they can harm me but I can't harm them.

Do I need to buy tungsten projectiles?

 

And I have checked, no one have over 200 mm armor, mostly 100-150  mm.

Recently, I didn't harm a T10, 120 mm armor in the front...

 

You know a replay would help so we could see exactly what happened...

nordlander_carl #20 Posted 18 November 2017 - 11:06 PM

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OK, I will try to do so, and I have noticed that for example my SP I C penetrats the heavy even better, Don't know why, but that gun (90 mm Mecar) is better???




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