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Snaques #1 Posted 12 November 2017 - 10:38 PM

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As if the arties wouldn't be annoying enough as it is, they also have the ridiculous habbit of suiciding when being shot at. It surely can not be what WG wants to happen so why not de-motivate such behavior somehow?

 

It enfuriates me mainly because the guys doing this are either a) completely stupid or b) plain mean. I mean they don't win anything by doing that so either they don't understand how the game works or they do it just to take the fun out from everyone else (I mean they play arty so the b) sounds like the obvious answer)



HundeWurst #2 Posted 12 November 2017 - 10:55 PM

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Well penalize anyone who suicides in the end of the battle for that matter.

 

Ofc arties are the most common case but there are many and more players out there who do the thing in about any vehicle they are driving.



MeetriX #3 Posted 12 November 2017 - 10:56 PM

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Already happened for years.

japtank #4 Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:05 PM

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It's very easy to disable the tank as soon as it's below water level without drowning it.

So it can't move, can't shoot, can get to garage but can still be shot at.

 

1 hour programming time.



_Bundesheer_ #5 Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:16 PM

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View PostWunderWurst, on 12 November 2017 - 10:55 PM, said:

Well penalize anyone who suicides in the end of the battle for that matter.

End? Last game a top tier E75 was camping on A0 on Murovanka, the after the first enemy shown up he did the suicide sub.

 

Unnecessary to say that this son of a **** should have been permabanned.



Vukila #6 Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:17 PM

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Actually I dont understand whats so wrong with it. Even Hitler did something similar when the Russians knocked on his door.

Schepel #7 Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:20 PM

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View PostVukila, on 12 November 2017 - 11:17 PM, said:

Actually I dont understand whats so wrong with it. Even Hitler did something similar when the Russians knocked on his door.

 

You refer to Hitler and you wonder why it is wrong? I am trying, really trying, not to make fun of you, but I can't resist.

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View PostSnaques, on 12 November 2017 - 10:38 PM, said:

As if the arties wouldn't be annoying enough as it is, they also have the ridiculous habbit of suiciding when being shot at. It surely can not be what WG wants to happen so why not de-motivate such behavior somehow?

 

It enfuriates me mainly because the guys doing this are either a) completely stupid or b) plain mean. I mean they don't win anything by doing that so either they don't understand how the game works or they do it just to take the fun out from everyone else (I mean they play arty so the b) sounds like the obvious answer)

 

Deal with it!:B

qpranger #9 Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:33 PM

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90% of suicides in WOT are caused by lack of balance.

Make balanced teams and people will fight until the end.



zen_monk_ #10 Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:44 PM

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View PostSnaques, on 12 November 2017 - 09:38 PM, said:

It surely can not be what WG wants to happen so why not de-motivate such behavior somehow?

 

Have you been at that meeting in Minsk when they discussed it?

 

In this game, if you're in opposing team, you're my enemy. I'm not here to entertain you. I'll try to kill you, I'll try to help my team mates kill you - and if I can't none of that, I'll do my best to spoil your pleasure of killing me.

 

Get over it.

 

 


Edited by zen_monk_, 12 November 2017 - 11:53 PM.


Snaques #11 Posted 13 November 2017 - 12:07 AM

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I never understood why spoiling someone's pleasure would be anyone's goal. If that is a by-product of you winning instead of the other guy, then sure, but to ruin someone's day for no other reason than cause you want to makes you a duche in my book.

 

Like I said, you don't gain anything by doing that.

 

PS. Gotta love how the guy who's classification is "Diplomat", has spoiling other's pleasure as one of his main goals. :)



zen_monk_ #12 Posted 13 November 2017 - 12:49 AM

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So your day is ruined if you fail to kill me?

 

Good, now I will enjoy even more :-)



Coldspell #13 Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:25 AM

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View Postqpranger, on 12 November 2017 - 10:33 PM, said:

90% of suicides in WOT are caused by perceived lack of balance.

Make balanced teams and people will fight until the end.

 

Fixed it for you.

Obviously suiciding would lead to an actual lack of balance because one team would suddenly be down 1 tank before any trading of shots begins.

 



unhappy_bunny #14 Posted 13 November 2017 - 04:14 AM

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I dont like seeing anyone suicide in battle. People that do so before the end of the battle are letting their team down, and showing themselves to be very selfish. 

Players who do it at the end of the battle, when last tank, also let themselves down. Go down fighting is my motto. Try to get a last shot in, maybe take an enemy with you. 

Even playing arty I have always tried to do that, but I can sort of understand why, as last tank, an arty might choose to drown himself, rather than give an enemy the satisfaction of getting the kill. You are in a paper vehicle, with a long reload, and not the most accurate gun. If you miss your last shot, that it. You're dead. No second chance. You cant run, cant hide. The rest of your team are dead, you are not going to change the result of the battle. So, if you throw yourself in the water, or off a cliff, the enemy doesnt get the pleasure of killing you, doesnt get that little bit of HP, and misses out on a little bit of XP, maybe even a medal. Result: Enemy is frustrated. 

In a way there is nothing wrong with that, certainly it is not unfair deprive the enemy of that satisfaction. This is a war game after all. 

 

I may be wrong, but I believe that WG changed the rules so that any player who suicided does not get XP for the battle and has to pay full costs for any repairs. So there is a penalty. I also believe this was designed to deter players from suiciding early in the battle, because they didnt like the map, or they didnt like the make-up of the team, or even "XVM win chance" was low. 



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View Postzen_monk_, on 12 November 2017 - 11:49 PM, said:

So your day is ruined if you fail to kill me?

 

Good, now I will enjoy even more :-)

 

There is a game you can play in the forum, read the content of a post and guess the players win rate before pressing the info button to check. Generally speaking it's often pretty easy to guess whether a high or low win rate is matched to a particular idea or point of view. It's fun, and I wondered how the idea of suiciding would translate into win rate.

 

My initial thought was basically if a player gets into the habit of suiciding they can start to do it too soon, it becomes a temptation to depart at the least frustration or fear. Giving in is far easier than fighting on if it serves to confirm some skewed logic in a players brain that if they can't win then they'll spoil it for the rest. It's the kid who takes his ball home because the other kids won't let him score a goal. But such an attitude must also surface at other points in a battle, maybe yoloing forward in suicide scouting, being careless crossing a street, etc. Dying becomes a habit without any regret or value because it's everybody else to blame, not the players own fault.

 

So how do attitudes for or against suicide equate to win rate? It's too small a sample in this thread, but there is a trend on the forum, but I won't spoil the game.


Edited by 250swb, 13 November 2017 - 05:54 AM.


Cannes76 #16 Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:41 PM

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View Postqpranger, on 12 November 2017 - 11:33 PM, said:

90% of suicides in WOT are caused by lack of balance.

Make balanced teams and people will fight until the end.

That is extremely naive.



ApocalypseSquad #17 Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:58 PM

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Sigh.  I am sure it happens, however I don't remember the last time I saw it.  How much of an issue is this really?

qpranger #18 Posted 13 November 2017 - 04:04 PM

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I suicide when the battle is lost and it was clearly never meant to be won in the first place - I do so simply to save my time, go play another battle on another tank or just close the game. If you are on a team that is winning 14-1, you have not earned the right to kill me - it was given to you on a silver platter by the rigged MM, and then taken away by me at the last moment. Because you are not worth it, you precious little roflstomp "winners". Bummer, feels bad man - well, not really :)

WhoCares01 #19 Posted 13 November 2017 - 04:12 PM

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Well, I would actually incentivise SPGs killing themselves - let's say 20k credits to each SPG player that kills himself in the first 2mins - would solve a lot of issues some of us have with farties...

Captain_Kremen0 #20 Posted 13 November 2017 - 04:30 PM

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old topic raises head again. 

OP - the enemy does not, should not and probably never will exist purely for your damage satisfaction.

It is human nature go down giving the middle finger to an enemy who is trying to kill you, so i'm afraid that your'e just going to have to live with it until such time as WG changes things. Be dead by then though. (i mean really dead not metaphorically dead)






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