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Jam_in_a_Tank #1 Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:22 AM

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So, hello and yo first of all :child:

 

I think i did not see any topic mentioning the upcoming high french heavy tanks (tier 8-tier 10)

Thus i am starting this for an open discussion and also let people who do not know yet!

 

So first of all, am i the only one who thinks tier 7 AMX M4 45 needs some serious changes ?

My goodness is hurting me just to see the stats of the tank, i do not even bother to played it to be honest.

 

Anwz so lets introduce the new tanks (info retrieved from: thedailybounce.net , thumbs up to Harkonnen again and again)

 

How the line would look like:

 

The new Tanks:

The new Tanks, all have 2 different guns to choose btw, well good or bad is interesting enough to get this type of things at least from my side of view.

 

Tier 8 AMX 65 t 

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Tier 9 AMX M4 51

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Tier 10 AMX M4 54

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So what do you think ?

For me i am not so much a heavy tank lover but this is something different and i would give it a shoot.

Even tho i need to agree with Sahm Lockhart (link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vScs9wnIPM mins:8:00-9:30  )  the tier 8 premium french heavy liberte could easily replace the upcoming tier 8 and AMX 65 t should be the premium one, fits better into my eyes at least, but wtv!

 

Edited by Jam_in_a_Tank, 13 November 2017 - 06:26 AM.


Sfinski #2 Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:44 AM

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T8 needs to lose that OP prem pen on bigger gun, otherwise quite nice. Not certain if I will grind it though...

ogremage #3 Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:49 AM

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Any snapshots of how the modules in the research trees look like for M4 45 and 65t?

ZlatanArKung #4 Posted 13 November 2017 - 07:24 AM

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So the T10 get 580 damage with 130mm gun.

IS-7 have 490 with same calibre.
Germans have 490 with 128mm.

Just change that WG.

leggasiini #5 Posted 13 November 2017 - 07:31 AM

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 13 November 2017 - 08:24 AM, said:

So the T10 get 580 damage with 130mm gun.

IS-7 have 490 with same calibre.
Germans have 490 with 128mm.

Just change that WG.

 

Then again, 127 on T9 has 470 alpha and 127 on Type 4 has only 450. SU-100Y has only 440 alpha, or 510 alpha with prem rounds. JT gets the same 560 as the M4 54 and 263 gets 550. I dont see the problem tbh, caliber in these days is just a rough indicator of damage output. Though, I am surprised why they used a 13 cm naval gun when they would have used 14 cm instead. 560 would have been more logical for a 14 cm than a 13 cm gun.. I dont think the 560 is too good anyway with that shitty gold pen and DPM, it seems alot like the Type 5's 14 cm with bit worse alpha but great base accuracy (and Type 5's 14 cm is not...a very good gun). The 120 might be better.

 

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As for the topic, I am really looking forward to the line. Will rush to the tier 10 and make a review out of line, so you probably will get relevant opinions about the tanks and their performance on live server around ~1 week after release :^)

 

The 325 APCR is mega bullshit on tier 8, tho, even worse than the 330 HEAT on 416. Other than that tho the tank looks quite poopy so I wish they somewhat buff the other specs on it.


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Laur_Balaur_XD #6 Posted 13 November 2017 - 07:33 AM

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 13 November 2017 - 06:24 AM, said:

So the T10 get 580 damage with 130mm gun.

IS-7 have 490 with same calibre.
Germans have 490 with 128mm.

Just change that WG.

 

He also gets a useless 280 pen gold round.... So i guess this is some new way of 'balancing' from WG.

sgtYester #7 Posted 13 November 2017 - 08:04 AM

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yeah, these new tank will be played the t54 way...gold gold gold gold.

 

a big money sink so u need to buy prem time and prem tanks to play em



Dava_117 #8 Posted 13 November 2017 - 09:55 AM

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As already pointed out, 120mm gold on tier 8 has too much pen. I would remove the whole gun cause we already have too much high damage HT on tier 8.

 

Actually all the line is another step of powercreep. Just too much armour, firepower and gun dep. for a single platform to be balanced...



Bennie182 #9 Posted 13 November 2017 - 12:33 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 13 November 2017 - 09:55 AM, said:

As already pointed out, 120mm gold on tier 8 has too much pen. I would remove the whole gun cause we already have too much high damage HT on tier 8.

 

Actually all the line is another step of powercreep. Just too much armour, firepower and gun dep. for a single platform to be balanced...

too much armor? the hull of those tanks is not great. it's just the turret that's bouncy.

anyways I am ready for them to come in, as I already have 80k ready on the M4 45. I hope the AMX 65T need about the same xp at 50 100. it really sucks, that you once again need a radio operator on M4 45 and then drop it again on the AMX 65T as is the same on 50 100. it's useless now to keep playing it, for crew training, as I am working on my first skill on that radio operator and the other members already have a few skills. this means I will work on training that guy for nothing.

 

Yes the M4 45 really needs some love, at least on the gun handling. it has bad dpm, bad gun handling (snap shots often miss, long aim time for low alpha and I miss a lot of aimed shots). it has high pen, so dpm does not need to be changed I think, but at least you should be able to get that dpm out nicely at least.



ZlatanArKung #10 Posted 13 November 2017 - 12:43 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 13 November 2017 - 09:55 AM, said:

As already pointed out, 120mm gold on tier 8 has too much pen. I would remove the whole gun cause we already have too much high damage HT on tier 8.

 

Actually all the line is another step of powercreep. Just too much armour, firepower and gun dep. for a single platform to be balanced...

Gun is fine.

 

But make apcr as premium and have it at 265 pen.

 

I guess the T10 uses same gun and have apcr as standard. Both have same premium, and I guess, Heat pen. 



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Penetrations are all over the place for those guns.

 

280 as premium on a tier 10 in the current meta? We all know that doesn't cut it, whilst the tier 8 little brother gets 50B APCR 



Captain_Kremen0 #12 Posted 13 November 2017 - 01:59 PM

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Another tier 7 dogshoite grind like the Tiger P

HundeWurst #13 Posted 13 November 2017 - 02:12 PM

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I like the looks of them tier 9 and 10 tank. No idea about the stats of them. We will see when they are on the live servers but at least they look a bit different to the rest of the crowed.

Dragonlordcv #14 Posted 13 November 2017 - 02:20 PM

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Am not playing M4 45 even if WG pays me gold to grind the line.

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View PostDragonlordcv, on 13 November 2017 - 02:20 PM, said:

Am not playing M4 45 even if WG pays me gold to grind the line.

 

I rebought it during the current discount. I had not that bad feeling about it but that was before the new MM.

GOD is this thing aweful! I ground trhough it in 2 days with reserves and I was a bot in this tank. I've had 69% winrate from like 3 years ago in it and finished the grind with 60%. I was HAPPY if I'd do 1k damage with it and felt mostly completely useless with it while mostly bottom tier. It cannot snipe, it cannot go close, it's huge, doesn' have any fkn armor and the gun soft stats are horrific. Tried 105mm, 90mm but still it's one of the worst tier 7 tanks in game and for sure in the top 5 of worst tanks in game.

 

It doesn't have anything going for it. Mobility is ok but nothing special. Gun depression is good BUT what do you need gun depression for if your turret is paper and you cannot shoot quickly due to the gun dispersion?
OH and did I mention, that the gun depression to the sides is like -3deg? You cannot go around corners or hills or whatever sideways or so because your gun just won't depress. WTF is wrong with this tank and the guys who implemented it without bufing it for like 5 years?

SOOO happy having my 80k xp for new tier 8 but still having a wish to comit when thinking about this grind....

Guys, if you have enough free xp, spare yourself the trouble and freexp the tier 8....



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View Posttajj7, on 13 November 2017 - 12:48 PM, said:

Penetrations are all over the place for those guns.

 

280 as premium on a tier 10 in the current meta? We all know that doesn't cut it, whilst the tier 8 little brother gets 50B APCR 

 


New French HT wont be bad, not with "new" WG. Tier 8 have only 100 mm but look on slope plus -8 gun dep. It will bounce more then IS 3, and those tank are not as slow as Tiger 2 and have in compere REAL armor. 

And real tank can be crapin this game. 

Balc0ra #17 Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:03 PM

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Only thing that's retarded is the tier 8 120 gun gold pen. Idk why the gap has to be that big. 255 to 260 would be more then enough. Other then that, nothing much to complain about. Tho it's as pointed out, not final. So no need to moan about it yet. I suspect they will have some changes on CT to.

 

Tho the tier 7 def needed some love to. If anything the ROF needs a buff. It's not gonna bounce much, and facing Tiger 1's it don't stand much of a chance... tbh it's not even good as a top tier. I let an O-I tank for me last night. I bounced zero shots. He bounced almost 2K from an IS and KV-3.



adameitas #18 Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:51 PM

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looks promising finally 50b crew will c a battlefield again:) somehow oddly t8 one is worse them amx 49, with less front armor (100 to 190) and less gun dep (8 to 10) not sure bigger gun can compensate it.

magkiln #19 Posted 13 November 2017 - 04:32 PM

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Meh.

 

Sorry, they don't look bad, just, I don't know, very average. Nothing to make them stand out. They'll probably do pretty well as general purpose machines. Not too dependent on the map, which is a good thing.



Isharial #20 Posted 13 November 2017 - 04:55 PM

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everyone complaining about the M4 45.. but really all it needs is a speed buff so its not slower than the T6 variant.. buff it to 42/45 and it would be a very nice support heavy.. atm it is slightly too slow for that

 

nice stats on those tanks though.. but I think the guns for the T8 and T10 got mixed up :amazed: lower pen at T10 than T8? wut?


 

sad thing is, I now don't know which line id actually grind....


 


 






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