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9.21 - British AT TD armor buffs - and I thought that 9.21 was a neat patch without retarded changes...

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tajj7 #61 Posted 15 November 2017 - 04:02 PM

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View Postares354, on 15 November 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

 

No, I have 183 , I have AT 15a, that is British premium TD, yet still EVERONE claim I dont play them, fine. 

I dont wonna next T95 in tier 9 who will be pennable only with premium. Tajj thinks that T30 can go hulldown on every map, [edited]. You have maps like Paris, where camping on green is waste of time in T30, coz most fight are in middle or city. Pilzno, same. 

I have fought many times with T30 player in city, coz as top tank they cant camp and wait to team dies to enemy. AND BTW, 

TAJJ, T30 like T34 HAVE SAME WEAKSPOT on roof, 38 mm armor, and that MEAN every 120 mm gun will overmatch roof. So, even if T30 hide hull in city, I WILL STILL PEN him with all 120 mm guns. 

WG dont need to add this sick armor to Tortie, WHAT they need to do is to nerf premium ammo, and make pen drop over distance bigger for HT, MT same as for LT. OFC, still buff armor a bit, but make armor to bounce more over 200 meter away, and weak in close combat or on flanks for MT. Remove overmatch and remove normalization for all gun. This is buff to armor, and do add weakspot on EVERY tank. But no 1 weakspot on front for tanks that have way too good guns. 

 

You can go hull down on Paris without going field side.

 

In fact T30 is so tall it can often hull down over other tanks, like Soviet heavies. Plus it has 750 alpha, it doesn't need to bounce, you can do like 4-5k damage with sensible trading. It's like the E100 or E4.

 

You also know the roof overmatch zone was changed yeh in the HD model, using about 6-7 degrees of the gun depression you can't hit and lower tanks shooting up at the T30 will struggle to hit it as it's a tall tank. It is not an easy area to hit.

 

Premium ammo has nothing to do with the Tortoise, no one shoots premium ammo at it, it has a giant easy to hit cupola that 170mm fo armour, it has a rood than is able to be overmatched by all guns over 76mm and large areas of the frontal armour are only 210 - 225mm effective meaning most tier 8 and pretty much every tier 9 and 10 will pen it easily. 

 

It's actually harder to find areas on the Tortoise that will bounce than areas that won't, on an amoured TD. 

 

The T95 is like twice the strength in armour AND has much stronger and tougher weak points AND has 750 alpha. A buffed Torty will be no where near it as it will still have a major weakspot, not tougher troll ones that the T95 has. 



ares354 #62 Posted 15 November 2017 - 05:07 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 15 November 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

 

You can go hull down on Paris without going field side.

 

In fact T30 is so tall it can often hull down over other tanks, like Soviet heavies. Plus it has 750 alpha, it doesn't need to bounce, you can do like 4-5k damage with sensible trading. It's like the E100 or E4.

 

You also know the roof overmatch zone was changed yeh in the HD model, using about 6-7 degrees of the gun depression you can't hit and lower tanks shooting up at the T30 will struggle to hit it as it's a tall tank. It is not an easy area to hit.

 

Premium ammo has nothing to do with the Tortoise, no one shoots premium ammo at it, it has a giant easy to hit cupola that 170mm fo armour, it has a rood than is able to be overmatched by all guns over 76mm and large areas of the frontal armour are only 210 - 225mm effective meaning most tier 8 and pretty much every tier 9 and 10 will pen it easily. 

 

It's actually harder to find areas on the Tortoise that will bounce than areas that won't, on an amoured TD. 

 

The T95 is like twice the strength in armour AND has much stronger and tougher weak points AND has 750 alpha. A buffed Torty will be no where near it as it will still have a major weakspot, not tougher troll ones that the T95 has. 

 

1. You can, but you can be counter played from some spots. 

2. Most Soviet tank are quite small, low profile, but M103, Conqueror, E75, Type 4 all are tall enough to hit roof of T30. Yes you can trade, as long as enemy dont rush, but unlike E100, and E4, T30 armor is bad. And still T30 cant pen some  turrets no matter what. 

3. People will shoot premium ammo at Tortie soon after those changes go life, point is buff ARMOR but not to level of what WG wish to add. No less then 265mm effective armor on front of tank? People will load gold. And that it not good for game. How is possible for WAR THUNDER to use angling, or even steel factor in game, but WG can't ? Centuion with Mk3 turret on WT have over 250 mm effective armor but thickness is historical, 152. This can be done. 

IF WG will remove overmatch then they dont need to add roof armor anymore. IF WG will remove normalization for all types of ammo, AP and APCR will lose pen coz angling will be better of left side of Tortie where is cupola. Then on right side only MG port in hull will be flat. Then if that wont work, they should add armor, as LAST resort, not first. 

All pen will drop, OLD weakspot could be add once again, and that is 210 mm side inter plate on Type 5 or 240 turret on Maus. 

Yes T95 have that and NOW IS OP, you add TOPIC about that ! We dont need next tank to be broken. Tortie after this buff will be second best armored TD on tier....with his gun, on maps like now will be OP, one weakspot easy to hide, CUPOLA. 

BIGDOG3 #63 Posted 22 December 2017 - 01:07 PM

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At15 armor cant stop any shells of tier 9 let alone 10 you are stuck as a duck in a barrel. Cant stop other tier 8 TD shells either !

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View PostBIGDOG3, on 22 December 2017 - 01:07 PM, said:

At15 armor cant stop any shells of tier 9 let alone 10 you are stuck as a duck in a barrel. Cant stop other tier 8 TD shells either !

 

Ferdi too cant stop shells of tier 9, and so what ? 





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