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qpranger #1 Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:19 PM

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I remember about a year ago there was so much whining and gnashing of teeth about this allegedly OP tank and what do we see today? I play a lot of tier 8 and 9 tanks and I rarely if ever see a Kranvagn. It seems even more rare than the Chrysler. What gives? I am thinking of grinding the Emils...

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Tank is too situational. Most situations 50b is better. Apart from when the planets align and you get the perfect map, with a ridge line to work and no arty. 

ExclamationMark #3 Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:34 PM

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Kran on the first CT was definitely OP, and as usual it was overnerfed. Now it's a junk tank.

Jigabachi #4 Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:43 PM

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View PostExclamationMark, on 13 November 2017 - 03:34 PM, said:

Kran on the first CT was definitely OP, and as usual it was overnerfed. Now it's a junk tank.

Pretty much this, I guess.

And it looks ugly as hell.



magkiln #5 Posted 13 November 2017 - 04:26 PM

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View Postqpranger, on 13 November 2017 - 03:19 PM, said:

I remember about a year ago there was so much whining and gnashing of teeth about this allegedly OP tank and what do we see today? I play a lot of tier 8 and 9 tanks and I rarely if ever see a Kranvagn. It seems even more rare than the Chrysler. What gives? I am thinking of grinding the Emils...

 

 

There is always talk like that. The Defender, the Chrysler, the Kranvagn. They were all going to flood the game and destroy the MM. Instead, the Defender is fairly popular, but hardly overwhelming, I think I've seen one Chrysler in the past month and I cannot even remember the last time I saw a Kranvagn. 

When I see autoloading tier 10 heavies, it's usually the T57 and sometimes the AMX50B.

 

I suspect that part of the problem is the grind. I don't have the Emil 2, but Emil 1 is no fun. 20 mm side hull armour on a heavy? Say hello to HE shells. On top of that, the stock gun is crap, the top gun is a long grind, and you need to  grind the suspension first. And for what? Sure, you are pretty much invulnerable when hull down, but you're still an autoloader. If the other guy counts the shots, he can rush you to get at your hull.

 

And when you finally get the Kranvagn, it will have the same problem. Cannot evade like an AMX50B, doesn't have the DPM of a T57. So, what's the point?

You have the longest inter-shot reload time and the longest clip reload time of all the tier X heavy autoloaders, combined with the lowest HP pool. Speed is OK, but PtW is mediocre at best. The only real selling point is the turret armour, but only form the front. The side of the turret is paper.

 

I got the EMil, because I was playing the Swedish tanks anyway and I liked the mediums, but I'm not sure if I'll keep playing . The AMX 50-100 is just more fun.


Edited by magkiln, 13 November 2017 - 04:27 PM.


Thejagdpanther #6 Posted 13 November 2017 - 04:46 PM

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Because the mobility is meh, gun handling is meh, accuracy is meh, armor is bad. Only thing is the turret. But turres sides are crapso only the front of your turret is strong. Oh and wait, Type 5 hvy and FV 183 will do 400 to 650 dmg on your turrent front. So basically nothing really going for it anymore

clixor #8 Posted 13 November 2017 - 05:17 PM

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Kravagn is my best performing tier10 by far (doesnt say much as i suck in my tier10s but still). I like the speed which lets you go along and support meds. However it's speed is a bit a double edge sword, because at the moment you get isolated you get rushed pretty fast by anyone who's not an idiot. At least for instance T57 heavy is just too slow to rush and naturally let's you assume the support role, and 50B is no assault tank so you avoid that situations.

 

As for ridges i think on most maps you can make use of your strongest asset, your turret, you can poke, even with jp's and grilles aiming for you. (jp gold and e3/e4 can pen turret though so beware). And i think that's pretty much it, it's not a dmg monster like t57, but under the right situations the kravagn let's you allow to tank for your team which in my case does translate into wr.

 

The grind is pretty easy as well. Emil is kinda meh, but any autoloader at tier8 is stronk. Emil II already get the turret.

 

 



Solstad1069 #9 Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:25 PM

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I gave up when i reached Emil I, it was just too boring to play.

Uebergewicht #10 Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:35 PM

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It´s not horrible, but its not super exciting either. I enjoyed the Emil I a whole lot and think its great; the Emil II has pretty troll gun handling and low dpm, but is not too bad either. While I´ve got the Kranvagn, I hardly played it for some reason, but my initial impressions are that the gun handling is still kinda troll, which is pretty noticeable on an autolader where every shot counts. And it cant really brawl like the T-57 because the hull is so thin and the reload is even longer. Finally, the great frontal turret armor is not worth that much when there are Types and FVs driving around which can just derp you for 600+ HP.

 

The tank was pretty OP in its first test server iteration, but is far from it in its current state. I guess it also did not offer enough to persuade anyone who already hat the AMX or the 57 to grind it as well; people rather went with the Swedish TDs which brought something no other line had before.



PoIestar #11 Posted 13 November 2017 - 08:23 PM

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I see them regularly, most of them spam full HEAT though.

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View Postqpranger, on 13 November 2017 - 03:19 PM, said:

I remember about a year ago there was so much whining and gnashing of teeth about this allegedly OP tank and what do we see today? I play a lot of tier 8 and 9 tanks and I rarely if ever see a Kranvagn. It seems even more rare than the Chrysler. What gives? I am thinking of grinding the Emils...

 

a Pole who knows some of the old language is a merriment to the heart :-)

RSAGhost #13 Posted 13 November 2017 - 08:54 PM

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View Postqpranger, on 13 November 2017 - 03:19 PM, said:

I remember about a year ago there was so much whining and gnashing of teeth about this allegedly OP tank and what do we see today? I play a lot of tier 8 and 9 tanks and I rarely if ever see a Kranvagn. It seems even more rare than the Chrysler. What gives? I am thinking of grinding the Emils...

 

Im actually at emill2 now slowly working to kranwagn  just getting the dailys

TheOddRogue #14 Posted 13 November 2017 - 08:59 PM

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Yeah everyone was whining an about the nearly impenetrable turret, as if no other other tank in the ever had it *Cough* IS7 *Cough*. Besides if you load HEAT there's still a chance of penning it and to high pen TD's with gold its just cheese unless extremely angled. 

 

Overall it's really mediokre and boring tank, AMX50B is just so much more better. 


Edited by TheOddRogue, 13 November 2017 - 09:01 PM.


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View PostExclamationMark, on 13 November 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

Kran on the first CT was definitely OP, and as usual it was overnerfed. Now it's a junk tank.

 

Kranvagn is balanced against super conq. 

ares354 #16 Posted 13 November 2017 - 09:13 PM

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Maybe coz Kran cant be balanced likle WT auf E100. 

If you will give him better dpm then AMX 50b and gun stats, who will play AMX 50b ? This tank is 3 autoloader that WAS NOT NEEDED. 

What people in WG should do is to give him his historicall armor on turret(so if his dont use gun dep some tank will pen him on flat) and gun that Swedes planned to use on him. Buff his mobility. 

TheWarrener #17 Posted 14 November 2017 - 10:31 AM

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As always pretty much. Pubbie whining can't overwhelm the reality, kran is meh. 

T_H_F #18 Posted 14 November 2017 - 11:35 AM

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Sad to hear that, on Emil 1 now, and its great,,, but perhaps i will stay at that if Kranvagen is so mehhh

fisco77 #19 Posted 14 November 2017 - 11:53 AM

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I hated the gun on Emil I, so derpy... Now on Emil II, i kinda like the tank, takes some time getting used to, then it's ok... It's true that you rarely see the Kranvagn, the ones who free xp-ed it moved to newer tanks, the rest are still grinding to it. Personally i find Super Conqueror much more painful to play against, as it's not an autoloader and has effectively the same turret (ie don't bother shooting, you'll never pen).

Edited by fisco77, 14 November 2017 - 11:54 AM.


The_Georgian_One #20 Posted 14 November 2017 - 11:57 AM

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63% win rate in Emil, 62 in Emil 2...I was really looking forward to playing Kran when the line was introduced. But since I unlocked it I simply cannot convince myself to buy it. I even moved my crew back to Emil that I kept, with the intention to try to 3-mark it.

 

The tank just doesn't have anything super special going for it. Sad :(






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