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Search_Warrant #1 Posted 15 November 2017 - 06:46 PM

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Then remove it. i just bounced 310heat off the side of that thing flat turret side. no tier 8 TD cant pen that thing reliably even if it makes a mistake. its stupidly noob proof and you dident fix it last time you "nerfed" it. whats my Pilot1 gonna do to that thing with 190pen? dont say spam gold. as WG said "we dont balance tanks around gold ammo" and id say that goes for both the gold pen on a tank and the armor is has.

 

Im sick of meeting stupid broken VKP/Mauschen/Maus roll over the enemy team. its stupid and fustrating.


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Dava_117 #2 Posted 15 November 2017 - 06:48 PM

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Maus should get back to the prebuff state. It was quite balanced at that time.

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 15 November 2017 - 06:46 PM, said:

Then remove it. i just bounced 310heat off the side of that thing flat turret side. no tier 8 TD cant pen that thing reliably even if it makes a mistake.

 

The 3 times you complained about your 288 pen S1, and WG that lied about it's pen. You hit everything at a 70 degree angle, and overmatched nothing. That and you seemed to ignore the fact that it can still go -25% on that pen. The higher the number, the bigger the fall. 310 can still go down to 232 pen. Maus 100% flat is 210. If he turns it a little.. that's gonna quickly go up to 230 or higher.  So I suspect you simply low rolled and was not 100% flat. It happens.

 

View PostDava_117, on 15 November 2017 - 06:48 PM, said:

Maus should get back to the prebuff state. It was quite balanced at that time.

 

Even so he would still fail to pen now. Side turret was never buffed. They only buffed the forward turret and hull, and the bottom plate.

 



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yes lets make a German tier 10 Super Heavy be able to get penned frontally by tier 8 mediums that have terrible pen.. yeah no.. If you're engaging a maus frontally in any tier 8 medium tank then the problem is not the tank but the fact that you are putting yourself in the wrong situation. Let the tanks on your team with good penetration deal with it. And yes tier 8 TD's can pen it reliably if they know how to aim, Albeit RNG doesnt help as you will miss sometimes, but so will any tank. STRV S1's, UDES's, Skorps, Both the chinese tier 8 TD's, being some examples can all pen the maus frontally with standard ammo. If you decide to tap the 2 you will pen almost every shot, but you dont even need to. before the "Ohh i shouldnt have to spam HEAT/APCR to pen a tank hurrr hurrrr" Its a super heavy for a reason, either learn how to aim or tap 2, simple as that.


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AvengerOrion #5 Posted 15 November 2017 - 07:11 PM

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If you won't balance the IS-3 against tier 6, than remove the IS-3.

 

Right?



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Just don't match super heavies with Tier8

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View PostAvengerOrion, on 15 November 2017 - 06:11 PM, said:

If you won't balance the IS-3 against tier 6, than remove the IS-3.

 

Right?

 

tier 3's cant pen the D.W.2 either, it must be over powered! nerf! nerf! nerf! nerf!

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View PostDava_117, on 15 November 2017 - 05:48 PM, said:

Maus should get back to the prebuff state. It was quite balanced at that time.

 

I disagree, Before it was buffed it was the worst tier 10 heavy, by a long shot. it had pretty much nothing going for it apart from the armour, and even then so it didnt make up for all the drawbacks. 

 

In my opinion its fine now, Its not as good as it was when it was first buffed, but its not terrible like it used to be. People just need to get used to the fact that its a a good tank now, and not the shite it used to be,



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The lower side armor still needs to be fixed, at least to a point where you can pen + track it (which you cant do even if he is COMPLETELY SIDEWAYS, unless you got like 290 AP/APCR pen). It also needs a some kind of frontal weakspot, like LFP or turret cheeks back to 240.

 

Its at least not as retarded as it was, the DPM is once more quite lowish and it doesn't have that completely BS 3.2k HP pool (which actually is a surprisingly big deal, because 750 alpha guns have 50/50 chance to kill it from full HP with 4 shots but the chance was way lower when it had 3.2k HP), but there is no doubt that the Maus is still bit too good. It wasn't actually even terrible before buffs (unlike Type 5), just poor at doing damage. Even if you revert the turret armor and side armor buffs it would still have notably buffed gun (even with 9.20 nerfs factored), buffed corners on the hull and the lower side armor would be left bit better than it was (80 was kinda too low because you were able to track + damage it from stupidly high angles).

 

That being said, I don't hate fighting maus with my tier 10s even close as much as I hate fighting VK 100s with my tier 8s.

 

View Postxx984, on 15 November 2017 - 08:15 PM, said:

 

I disagree, Before it was buffed it was the worst tier 10 heavy, by a long shot.

 

Pre-buff Type 5 was way worse. At least the Maus still had pretty great armor (I know people who had more than 3k average blocked with it before buffs), the pre-buff Type 5 might as well have had the armor of FV4005 if it got gold spammed at.


Edited by leggasiini, 15 November 2017 - 07:21 PM.


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View Postxx984, on 15 November 2017 - 07:13 PM, said:

 

tier 3's cant pen the D.W.2 either, it must be over powered! nerf! nerf! nerf! nerf!

 

I agree. NERF!



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View PostAvengerOrion, on 15 November 2017 - 06:20 PM, said:

 

I agree. NERF!

 

And while we're at it, What about the E75? We cant possibly leave that be, Tier 7's dont have a chance! WG Pls nerf lfp so IS can pen with standard shell kthnx

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 15 November 2017 - 06:46 PM, said:

Then remove it. i just bounced 310heat off the side of that thing flat turret side. no tier 8 TD cant pen that thing reliably even if it makes a mistake. its stupidly noob proof and you dident fix it last time you "nerfed" it. whats my Pilot1 gonna do to that thing with 190pen? dont say spam gold. as WG said "we dont balance tanks around gold ammo" and id say that goes for both the gold pen on a tank and the armor is has.

 

Im sick of meeting stupid broken VKP/Mauschen/Maus roll over the enemy team. its stupid and fustrating.

 

Then quit don't slam the door on the way out, 

totally sick of all the whingers and whiners in this forum just because they cant do something almost everyone else can.

 

https://wotguru.com/...ots-guide-maus/


Edited by cragarion, 15 November 2017 - 07:26 PM.


RinTin_NL #13 Posted 15 November 2017 - 07:32 PM

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+2 mm is broken as hell! just garbage! you can't balance a two tier spread MM...

 

But hey it's all about the money...

 

$$$

 


Edited by RinTin_NL, 15 November 2017 - 07:36 PM.


jack_timber #14 Posted 15 November 2017 - 07:57 PM

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Well UDES at T8 can reliably pen LFP and turret side on using standard AP. Often bottom tier in TX matchup and if I can't with the 1 key then I do have the option but don't use that option much TBH.

You have to know your opponents weaknesses.....



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View Postxx984, on 15 November 2017 - 06:23 PM, said:

 

And while we're at it, What about the E75? We cant possibly leave that be, Tier 7's dont have a chance! WG Pls nerf lfp so IS can pen with standard shell kthnx

 

Don't even mention the 45.02B....much fun trying to pen that with a Comet...

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Why don't you watch some anime and "relax" a little? :rolleyes:

Derethim #17 Posted 15 November 2017 - 08:03 PM

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What if the whole tier VIII was +1/-1?

WG would increase premium tank sales.

We'd get less painful games.



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View PostDerethim, on 15 November 2017 - 07:03 PM, said:

What if the whole tier VIII was +1/-1?

WG would increase premium tank sales.

We'd get less painful games.

 

And WG would go bankrupt with the refund on pref MM tier VIII prems.

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View Postxx984, on 15 November 2017 - 06:09 PM, said:

yes lets make a German tier 10 Super Heavy be able to get penned frontally by tier 8 mediums that have terrible pen.. yeah no.. If you're engaging a maus frontally in any tier 8 medium tank then the problem is not the tank but the fact that you are putting yourself in the wrong situation. Let the tanks on your team with good penetration deal with it. And yes tier 8 TD's can pen it reliably if they know how to aim, Albeit RNG doesnt help as you will miss sometimes, but so will any tank. STRV S1's, UDES's, Skorps, Both the chinese tier 8 TD's, being some examples can all pen the maus frontally with standard ammo. If you decide to tap the 2 you will pen almost every shot, but you dont even need to. before the "Ohh i shouldnt have to spam HEAT/APCR to pen a tank hurrr hurrrr" Its a super heavy for a reason, either learn how to aim or tap 2, simple as that.

 

Why shouldent a tier 8 pen a tier 10 heavy frontally at LEAST give them a weak spot to stand a chance? you know damwell you cannot flank in this game. also it was my WZ-1201FGT was the tank bouncing its side and then i pressed 2 and the flat side of the turret just shrugged it off with "that one dident go threw". its broken and stupid. he was flat side on. did i mention it was 310 heat on the side of his tank? SIDE. let me repeat that S-I-D-E.

 

Quote the last part reapteadly untill you get it threw your skull instead of spamming "lol L2P or gold spem hurrdurr"


Edited by Search_Warrant, 15 November 2017 - 08:09 PM.


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View PostRamRaid90, on 15 November 2017 - 06:59 PM, said:

 

Don't even mention the 45.02B....much fun trying to pen that with a Comet...

 

lets just nerf everything!




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