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DoomHerald #1 Posted 16 November 2017 - 01:55 PM

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Please, "genius" in WG, explain how is this total CRAP even possible! 4 shots with 257 AP shells, all on good angle, all on the upper side hull, 0 pens. On the other hand, of course he penned with HE my 170 mm hull.

http://wotreplays.eu...herald-amx_50_b


Edited by DoomHerald, 16 November 2017 - 03:06 PM.


HassenderZerhacker #2 Posted 16 November 2017 - 01:57 PM

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hahaha.

forget the Type 5, the first priority is to nerf the VK100.01P !!



Coldspell #3 Posted 16 November 2017 - 02:02 PM

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I'm on my mobile so can't watch replay but consider the following, you could have had sub 200 pen rolls and elevation will effect it, even if it was broadside to you if you were shooting down or up it will add to the effective armour value.

Dava_117 #4 Posted 16 November 2017 - 02:02 PM

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Can't watch the replay now, but half of type5 sides are immune to gun with less than 122mm caliber. The distance between the spaced armour and the main one is between 1200-1220 mm. Once a shell hit main armour or spaced armour, it keep traveling for 10 time his caliber. Even from the flat, your 120mm shell have no chance to pen there. Aim to the upper part of the side if you want to pen type5.

Edited by Dava_117, 16 November 2017 - 02:03 PM.


brumbarr #5 Posted 16 November 2017 - 02:03 PM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 16 November 2017 - 01:57 PM, said:

hahaha.

forget the Type 5, the first priority is to nerf the VK100.01P !!

Or we could just nerf both?

 

Ikr, mind blown!


Edited by brumbarr, 16 November 2017 - 02:03 PM.


Igor_BL #6 Posted 16 November 2017 - 02:03 PM

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HZ, you are too big ignorant... Even for this game and forum.

DoomHerald #7 Posted 16 November 2017 - 02:08 PM

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Something is very very wrong with the AP shells of AMX50B - in the very next battle 4 times in a row didn't pen BC25t. 4 bloody times in a row!!!

http://wotreplays.eu...herald-amx_50_b



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View PostDoomHerald, on 16 November 2017 - 01:55 PM, said:

Please, "genius" in WG, explain how is this total CRAP even possible!

http://wotreplays.eu...herald-amx_50_b

 

How would you like T26E4 getting 4 hits and 1 gold hit from IS3 with 0 pen?))))))) ITS MAGIC

Im doing special, tank macgic

K_A #9 Posted 16 November 2017 - 02:19 PM

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l2p :trollface: 

 

In all seriousness, I don't know about that AP ammo, seems kinda dodgy in general... :sceptic: I try to stay away from it most times, after all HE does more damage!



DoomHerald #10 Posted 16 November 2017 - 02:59 PM

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The SHITrain continues: 9 pens, ALL of them low rolls:

http://wotreplays.eu...super_conqueror



Cobra6 #11 Posted 16 November 2017 - 03:04 PM

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Because "Steve the IS-7 driver" complained that everyone was penetrating his heavy tank, which he was playing incorrectly I might add, so Wargaming decided to overbuf all his heavy tanks to compensate for his terrible playstyle because Steve unfortunately had a big wallet and was spending money.

 

 

That is roughly how it went.

 

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Balc0ra #12 Posted 16 November 2017 - 03:08 PM

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View PostDoomHerald, on 16 November 2017 - 01:55 PM, said:

Please, "genius" in WG, explain how is this total CRAP even possible!

On the other hand, of course he penned with HE my 170 mm hull.

http://wotreplays.eu...herald-amx_50_b

 

He did not pen your 170mm hull. He penned your 50mm plate above the tracks.

Spoiler

 

Your first shot got adsorbed by the 2nd wheel, as indicated by the critical hit. Your 2nd and 4th shot was at a high angle, not flat. Giving it at least 400mm of effective armor as the angle was close to 60 degree impact angle, as indicated by your sight turning red as you drove past him in a circle. Your 3rd shot was at a lesser angle, but sight was orange. So you had a 50% chance to pen that one.

 

 

View PostDoomHerald, on 16 November 2017 - 02:08 PM, said:

Something is very very wrong with the AP shells of AMX50B - in the very next battle 4 times in a row didn't pen BC25t. 4 bloody times in a row!!!

http://wotreplays.eu...herald-amx_50_b

 

1st shot is at a 70 degree angle or more on the hull, so auto bounce. As your caliber won't overmatch that. Then you moved your sight to the turret cheeks, and your sight turned green. But hit the hull right below it, so 70 degree + impact angle and auto bonce again. On your 3rd shot you aimed at the lower plate, but high up. And your shot hit the edge connecting the upper and lower plate. So auto bounce. 4th shot you aim up at the hull again, but sight is still red. So 70 degrees or more and auto bounce.

 

Simply bad luck and to big angles, nothing more.


Edited by Balc0ra, 16 November 2017 - 03:08 PM.


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View PostBalc0ra, on 16 November 2017 - 03:08 PM, said:

 

He did not pen your 170mm hull. He penned your 50mm plate above the tracks.

Spoiler

 

Your first shot got adsorbed by the 2nd wheel, as indicated by the critical hit. Your 2nd and 4th shot was at a high angle, not flat. Giving it at least 400mm of effective armor as the angle was close to 60 degree impact angle, as indicated by your sight turning red as you drove past him in a circle. Your 3rd shot was at a lesser angle, but sight was orange. So you had a 50% chance to pen that one.

 

 

 

1st shot is at a 70 degree angle or more on the hull, so auto bounce. As your caliber won't overmatch that. Then you moved your sight to the turret cheeks, and your sight turned green. But hit the hull right below it, so 70 degree + impact angle and auto bonce again. On your 3rd shot you aimed at the lower plate, but high up. And your shot hit the edge connecting the upper and lower plate. So auto bounce. 4th shot you aim up at the hull again, but sight is still red. So 70 degrees or more and auto bounce.

 

Simply bad luck and to big angles, nothing more.

Nice mod you got here.

I wonder if i can get it too.

Or it's included in (cough)arpack? :amazed:



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View PostDerpYa, on 16 November 2017 - 03:50 PM, said:

Nice mod you got here.

I wonder if i can get it too.

Or it's included in (cough)arpack? :amazed:

 

What mod? If you are referring to the tank hull showing effective armor. It's simply a web-page called tank.gg. That most also use to find out if a gun auto bounces or not. As I simply compared the Type hull armor vs the 50b's gun. Simple as that.

Edited by Balc0ra, 16 November 2017 - 04:05 PM.


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View PostDoomHerald, on 16 November 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

Please, "genius" in WG, explain how is this total CRAP even possible! 4 shots with 257 AP shells, all on good angle, all on the upper side hull, 0 pens. On the other hand, of course he penned with HE my 170 mm hull.

http://wotreplays.eu...herald-amx_50_b

 

You were shooting right at his tracks... That is definitely not the upper side hull you were shooting, you deserved those bounces/absorbs. If you pressed W a bit more you would've had his rear (Actually for the last 3 shots, his rear was a pretty sure penetration if you had shot there)

1st shot:

2nd shot:

 

3rd shot:

4th shot:


Edited by Swoopie, 16 November 2017 - 04:34 PM.


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View PostSwoopie, on 16 November 2017 - 04:31 PM, said:

 

You were shooting right at his tracks... That is definitely not the upper side hull you were shooting, you deserved those bounces/absorbs. If you pressed W a bit more you would've had his rear (Actually for the last 3 shots, his rear was a pretty sure penetration if you had shot there)

1st shot:

2nd shot:

 

3rd shot:

4th shot:

 

lol hahahaha look at those shots... Of course they are not going to pen. :facepalm:

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View Postanother_Ghost_Shell, on 16 November 2017 - 04:34 PM, said:

 

lol hahahaha look at those shots... Of course they are not going to pen. :facepalm:

I do wonder what was going trougb his head: my first shot didnt pen there, maybe rng. Ok, 2 of my shots didnt pen in the same spot, so lets shoot there again 2 times!



DoomHerald #18 Posted 16 November 2017 - 04:38 PM

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Yep, I had to shoot at the rear, or to attack from the other side (to be safe from shots from the road), but was soooooooooo sure will pen with these shots...

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View Postbrumbarr, on 16 November 2017 - 05:36 PM, said:

I do wonder what was going trougb his head: my first shot didnt pen there, maybe rng. Ok, 2 of my shots didnt pen in the same spot, so lets shoot there again 2 times!

 

Yeah and each time aiming more towards the front (making the penetration angle even worse)

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View Postbrumbarr, on 16 November 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

I do wonder what was going trougb his head: my first shot didnt pen there, maybe rng. Ok, 2 of my shots didnt pen in the same spot, so lets shoot there again 2 times!

 

Someone had already put a helpful pen marker to aim at on the upper hull plate that would've been 150 effective at that angle.. :D Hell, from the first angle he could've even tracked the Type and had a better than 50/50 chance of going through the hull at the same time.




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