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cRuZ0r #1 Posted 16 November 2017 - 08:33 PM

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Does anyone have access to or know where i can find more detailed statistics about these tanks or maybe a armor viewer? The stats provided by WG looks "ok" and for me the tanks will either be made or ruined by the gun dispersion stats aswell as more detailed armor info.

Edited by cRuZ0r, 16 November 2017 - 08:34 PM.


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cRuZ0r #3 Posted 16 November 2017 - 08:48 PM

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Checked ritas statusreport, cant find any info on dispersion on tank moving, traversing and turret traverse..

Bennie182 #4 Posted 16 November 2017 - 08:48 PM

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https://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/general-news/921-french-heavy-tanks/

this is all the info I have so far. nothing about armor values etc.


Edited by Bennie182, 16 November 2017 - 08:49 PM.


Nishi_Kinuyo #5 Posted 16 November 2017 - 10:28 PM

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View PostcRuZ0r, on 16 November 2017 - 07:48 PM, said:

Checked ritas statusreport, cant find any info on dispersion on tank moving, traversing and turret traverse..

That's because that info isn't leaked yet.

Be happy we at least got terrain resistances.

Anyhow, this is the most recent I can find: https://thearmoredpa...french-heavies/



AliceUnchained #6 Posted 17 November 2017 - 12:00 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 16 November 2017 - 10:28 PM, said:

That's because that info isn't leaked yet.

Be happy we at least got terrain resistances.

Anyhow, this is the most recent I can find: https://thearmoredpa...french-heavies/

 

Some of the gun penetration values are just utterly ridiculous; The 120 mm D. 1203 goes from 218 mm standard to 325 mm premium at Tier VIII... Then the same gun (suffix 'A;) gets 257 mm standard penetration at Tier IX, and a 127 mm/54 Model 1948 is added with 242 mm standard and 258 mm premium penetration. The Tier X will then get the same 120 mm gun again (suffix 'B;) but with 264 mm standard penetration, and a 130 mm/45 Model 1935 (so a pre WW II gun design actually) with 250 standard and 280 mm premium penetration. Both the 127 mm and 1300 mm are naval guns.

 

While I am very much in favor of giving tanks more than one viable gun option, in my opinion Wargaming got it all backwards with these French heavy tanks. For example, at tier VIII the 100 mm should be the DPM/soft stats gun whereas the 120 mm should be the long aim time (but perhaps with better final accuracy), lower DPM option. When balanced properly you could even give it the same penetration as the Tier IX and X (it's acceptable on the T34, so why not a regular Tier VIII) at 257 mm. And after all the French get 232 mm penetration with a 100 mm gun already at Tier VIII. Or tweak it at 240 - 245 and give both the Tier IX and X the alternate version at 257 mm or 264 mm penetration.

 

At least you will only have to research that 120 mm D. 1203 only once. Which is surprising, as typical Wargaming shenanigans would have you research it separately 3 times as 3 different guns.



magkiln #7 Posted 17 November 2017 - 01:26 PM

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View PostBennie182, on 16 November 2017 - 08:48 PM, said:

https://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/general-news/921-french-heavy-tanks/

this is all the info I have so far. nothing about armor values etc.

 

Don't you love those gameplay tips?

  • Don't sidescrape (because the side armour sucks that much)
  • Don't expose your turret. (Ehm.... I still want to shoot something)
  • The lower glacis is weaker than the rest of the frontal armour (there's a shock)
  • Pick your battles (Wow, there's a new thought. So, they mean I cannot yolo five enemy tanks at once?)
  • Stay close to the team (Another original thought. I always thought playing solo worked so much better)

I really wonder why they bother with this.

 



Dr_Oolen #8 Posted 17 November 2017 - 01:44 PM

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View Postmagkiln, on 17 November 2017 - 01:26 PM, said:

 

Don't you love those gameplay tips?

  • Don't sidescrape (because the side armour sucks that much)
  • Don't expose your turret. (Ehm.... I still want to shoot something)
  • The lower glacis is weaker than the rest of the frontal armour (there's a shock)
  • Pick your battles (Wow, there's a new thought. So, they mean I cannot yolo five enemy tanks at once?)
  • Stay close to the team (Another original thought. I always thought playing solo worked so much better)

I really wonder why they bother with this.

 

 

The funny thing is WG is giving tips that are factually wrong.

- dont expose turret - lmao, the turrets on those things frontally are amongst the best on their tiers and on t9/10 the cupolas are so small and far back on such tall tanks that you will more often than not be unable to hit them even at 50 meters

- lfp - on all of them apart from the t10 the LFP is stronger than the UFP, and on the t10 its still 310+



SaintMaddenus #9 Posted 17 November 2017 - 01:45 PM

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  • Pick your battles (Wow, there's a new thought. So, they mean I cannot yolo five enemy tanks at once?)
  • Stay close to the team (Another original thought. I always thought playing solo worked so much better

lol  thought MM picks our battles :hiding:



_EXODUZ_ #10 Posted 17 November 2017 - 01:47 PM

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They're crap, IMO. Was watching some Russian streams. Tier 10 one got penned for 900 into side armor by T49, turret only works if you face it directly, otherwise you can easily pen cheeks.

magkiln #11 Posted 17 November 2017 - 01:50 PM

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View PostDr_Oolen, on 17 November 2017 - 01:44 PM, said:

 

The funny thing is WG is giving tips that are factually wrong.

- dont expose turret - lmao, the turrets on those things frontally are amongst the best on their tiers and on t9/10 the cupolas are so small and far back on such tall tanks that you will more often than not be unable to hit them even at 50 meters

- lfp - on all of them apart from the t10 the LFP is stronger than the UFP, and on the t10 its still 310+

 

The cupolas's also look pretty well sloped, so chances are that if the tank is on a reverse slope, they becomes auto-bounce zones.

cRuZ0r #12 Posted 17 November 2017 - 01:58 PM

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I dont care about your opinion on WGs video, make a crypost and complain over there

Solexi #13 Posted 17 November 2017 - 04:25 PM

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I downloaded the client and checked out the armour profile with Tank Inspector.

 

-AMX 65 t-

The stock turret is literally the  one from the AMX M4 49, so it's not that bad other than the weak cupola.

Upgraded turret has a very large strip under the gun which is only 170mm thick. Other than that, the rest of the turret front is 250 - 350mm effective. The large cupola is 200mm effective and the smaller one is 190mm effective. It's possible to hide the weak 170mm strip when peeking over ridges, making this turret pretty solid. It obviously also comes with a DPM, view range, traverse and HP boost.

The entire hull is garbage with 145 - 170mm effective from the front, with any angling of the hull making it weaker thanks to the pike nose.

It has 80mm of side armour, which is 20mm more than the tier X...

 

-AMX M4 51-

Frontal hull is 250mm+ effective.

Stock turret is basically the upgraded one from the AMX 65 t with the same weaknesses and strengths.

Upgraded turret is at least 300mm effective pretty much everywhere on the front and has a large spaced mantlet. However, the small cupolas are only 170-180mm effective.
The side hull armour of 55mm will make you cry.

 

-AMX M4 54-

The armour profile is almost identical to the AMX M4 51, only with a boost to the upper frontal plate of the hull, making it 300 - 320mm effective. It also now gets 60mm of side armour instead of 55mm.

 

 

 


Edited by Solexi, 17 November 2017 - 04:37 PM.


cRuZ0r #14 Posted 17 November 2017 - 04:45 PM

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Thanks, someone actually answering the question :) LFP?

Solexi #15 Posted 17 November 2017 - 04:50 PM

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The LFP on all 3 are pretty tiny and have decent values.

AMX 65 t is 220 - 230mm effective

AMX M4 51 is 280mm effective and very nearly at autobounce angle

AMX M4 54 seems to be exactly the same at the M4 51, which would make the LFP a weak spot compared to its UFP.


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Bennie182 #16 Posted 17 November 2017 - 05:43 PM

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View PostSolexi, on 17 November 2017 - 04:25 PM, said:

-AMX M4 54-

The armour profile is almost identical to the AMX M4 51, only with a boost to the upper frontal plate of the hull, making it 300 - 320mm effective. It also now gets 60mm of side armour instead of 55mm.

Thanks for sharing guys!

This last part seems pretty lame. Only boosting the upper plate doesn't make much sense..



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View Postmagkiln, on 17 November 2017 - 01:26 PM, said:

 

Don't you love those gameplay tips?

  • Don't sidescrape (because the side armour sucks that much)
  • Don't expose your turret. (Ehm.... I still want to shoot something)
  • The lower glacis is weaker than the rest of the frontal armour (there's a shock)
  • Pick your battles (Wow, there's a new thought. So, they mean I cannot yolo five enemy tanks at once while having your back towards them?)
  • Stay close to the team (Another original thought. I always thought playing solo worked so much better)

I really wonder why they bother with this.

 

Awesome tips, they would help many players get from 46% WR to a bit above 50%.



Bennie182 #18 Posted 17 November 2017 - 06:19 PM

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View Postmagkiln, on 17 November 2017 - 01:26 PM, said:

  • Stay close to the team (Another original thought. I always thought playing solo worked so much better)

No Kolobanov's medal for this tank XD



Solexi #19 Posted 17 November 2017 - 06:46 PM

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The 127mm for the AMX M4 51 is worse in virtually every way than the stock 120mm, apart from an extra 70 alpha per shot.
It has worse penetration (especially for premium ammo), worse DPM, lower shell velocity, worse aim time, worse accuracy & worse aim spread. It's also heavier so it'll slow you down more.

 

I think that the intent of the developers is to make a close range brawling gun and a medium range gun option as some people may find the alpha to be beneficial despite all of the other shortcomings.

I wouldn't say that it's actually worth spending the xp required to unlock it though.

 

 

The AMX M4 54, again, has virtually the same situation. A 120mm or 130mm with the same pros and cons, only for an extra 160 alpha.


Edited by Solexi, 17 November 2017 - 08:04 PM.


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View PostcRuZ0r, on 17 November 2017 - 04:45 PM, said:

Thanks, someone actually answering the question :) LFP?

 

To get more specific details on how the stat changes with crew or equipment etc. Check tank.gg once the CT is up. They have the armor, stats etc up there then.




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