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sgtYester #1 Posted 16 November 2017 - 10:54 PM

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soo, started to grind the xp to be ready for the next heavy line.. and omg.  i can see why i free xp'd past this turd

 

its hardly working, but what rly kills it is the fact that u will always get spotted.  anyone will spot u from the other side of the map when u move.   When u shoot ut spotted 3 maps away.  

 

it has no armor, no speed and 7 seconds reload for 240 damage is just retarded.

 

but ofc wg wont buff it, its a huge free xp sink.



Erwin_Von_Braun #2 Posted 16 November 2017 - 10:56 PM

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Your fault for driving a French tank:trollface:

PoIestar #3 Posted 16 November 2017 - 11:04 PM

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7 s reload for 240 damage is very reasonable, the Tiger 131 has 5-6 seconds for 220 a tier lower, and that has a pretty nice bit of DPM. I never played the M4, my guess is that it needs more armor to be competitive but a decent 240 alpha gun with 212 pen seems nice, actually.

 

Might start playing that to grind the new Frenchies but idk.



Balc0ra #4 Posted 16 November 2017 - 11:47 PM

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View PostPoIestar, on 16 November 2017 - 11:04 PM, said:

7 s reload for 240 damage is very reasonable, the Tiger 131 has 5-6 seconds for 220 a tier lower, and that has a pretty nice bit of DPM. I never played the M4, my guess is that it needs more armor to be competitive but a decent 240 alpha gun with 212 pen seems nice, actually.

 

Might start playing that to grind the new Frenchies but idk.

 

Issue is that the armor is not working. Tiger I has more or less the same ROF as the 131 with the Long 88, because it has no armor. And in a support role in a tier 9 game, he can still work. Tiger P has almost 2 seconds longer reload. Because he has armor. AMX M4 has Tiger P DPM with no armor, or mobility. He should be in between those two at least. But he is not. It's not even a good medium.

 

I thought it was not good or bad, just "meh" when I played it almost 5 years ago. I had a 54% WR on it. Now I have a 50% WR on it after grinding 60K xp on it. As it can't carry to well as top tier anymore with the new meta. Not when the other HT's have mobility, armor or ROF. He has nothing. That and he is not a small target either.


Edited by Balc0ra, 17 November 2017 - 02:49 AM.


magkiln #5 Posted 17 November 2017 - 12:36 AM

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65 percent winrate after 70 games. I don't know why, but it tends to work for me and I'm certainly not a good player. The thing is, it's purely a support tank. You cannot lead a charge, even when top tier, and you can certainly never go anywhere alone. Stay behind your allies and shoot whoever they are shooting.

NUKLEAR_SLUG #6 Posted 17 November 2017 - 05:40 AM

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Go full gold noob. It's not so bad when your hitting for 330. :)

Excavatus #7 Posted 17 November 2017 - 06:52 AM

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french heavy???

What the hell is that?

There is nothing such as a Heavy tank in the french army...

 

They have meds.. they have heaviums.. and they have turds..



AngelofAwe #8 Posted 17 November 2017 - 06:55 AM

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I'm making some exp in this tank too before patch... and I actually lost a duel to a T29 firing AP with the stock gun because he penned my turret front 6 shots in a row.

But we're not talking about this... it never happened as far as I'm concerned. 

Pandabird #9 Posted 17 November 2017 - 08:35 AM

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Loved this tank

 

330 alpha gun is really punchy and it's quite mobile

 

The grind was over too fast but i got 74% wr with it so it can't be as terrible people make it out to be.


Edited by Pandabird, 17 November 2017 - 08:38 AM.


tumppi776 #10 Posted 17 November 2017 - 08:36 AM

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Its an excellent tank with 3 fun to play guns to choose from. It has enough pen to handle all MM tiers it gets into.

 

F3 90mm with gold = DPM DPM

Long 90mm = AP pen / APCR lol pen

105mm with APCR = 330 alpha

 

Might cost a bit - but all are competitive and offer nice change into the "grind" if you alter between them


Edited by tumppi776, 17 November 2017 - 08:40 AM.


Pansenmann #11 Posted 17 November 2017 - 08:38 AM

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I have about 110k xp waiting on that tank for some months now :)

Good luck to all with the "grind".

 

I can also highly suggest to use the 105mm 13TR gun,

because the handling, aim time, reload etc. is not that much worse than the DCA45.

Ok, less pen with standard ammo, but at least a bit more alpha.



leggasiini #12 Posted 17 November 2017 - 08:42 AM

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Just use 105 and spam gold

 

Its still not a good tank with that setup and its pretty expensive too but atleast you do way moar damage and can outtrade things



tumppi776 #13 Posted 17 November 2017 - 08:48 AM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 16 November 2017 - 10:47 PM, said:

 

Issue is that the armor is not working.

 

At least for me the armor works just as good / bad as IS. But you can deal damage much more reliably than IS can.

 

(sorry for killing your M4 yesterday on Westfield :-) )

 

 


Edited by tumppi776, 17 November 2017 - 08:50 AM.


AngelofAwe #14 Posted 17 November 2017 - 08:55 AM

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Tbh I'm not sure I see the benefit in some more alpha and a sliver more DPM in exchange for having worse accuracy and having to fire APCR only with pen that still won't be enough against most T9s you'll face.

Edited by AngelofAwe, 17 November 2017 - 08:55 AM.


TankkiPoju #15 Posted 17 November 2017 - 09:07 AM

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Try playing Black Prince for those epic gun stats.

 

20kmh top speed, 150 alpha with 171 pen and on top of that: Crap DPM.

 

Every game is basically trying to find a hull down spot and pray the enemies are idiots.


Edited by TankkiPoju, 17 November 2017 - 09:07 AM.


Radu_Korne #16 Posted 17 November 2017 - 09:16 AM

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I thought the tank was quite OK with 105 using a fair amount of prem shells vs. hard targets... problem was that you cannot push/carry when top tier, it's so bad vs. IS/Tigers or in fact most tier 7 heavy tanks (probably not KV-122 or FV201). Literally have about 300 avg dmg blocked... cheesy armor. Support heavy tank, good WN8 farmer. You will surprise a lot of enemies if you deal 330 per shot... nobody will care if you pew pew 240hp.

 

 



Dr_ownape #17 Posted 17 November 2017 - 09:30 AM

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i do feel dirty shooting gold all the time though - but that extra 30 damage is just too tempting to turn down (clearly if they are low health i do switch to AP).

Captain_Kremen0 #18 Posted 17 November 2017 - 09:34 AM

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View PostPansenmann, on 17 November 2017 - 07:38 AM, said:

I have about 110k xp waiting on that tank for some months now :)

Good luck to all with the "grind".

 

I can also highly suggest to use the 105mm 13TR gun,

because the handling, aim time, reload etc. is not that much worse than the DCA45.

Ok, less pen with standard ammo, but at least a bit more alpha.

Well if this is going to be the tier 7 choke point in the new tree, that will come in handy.



Aikl #19 Posted 17 November 2017 - 09:40 AM

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View PostPansenmann, on 17 November 2017 - 07:38 AM, said:

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I can also highly suggest to use the 105mm 13TR gun,

because the handling, aim time, reload etc. is not that much worse than the DCA45.

Ok, less pen with standard ammo, but at least a bit more alpha.

 

Pretty sure that only the final accuracy is worse than the DCA45. Even firing AP it has quite a bit more DPM. 

 

My biggest gripe about this thing is the gun depression over the sides. Man that's annoying. Overall seems like someone baked a tank and forgot to add any actual flavour. I can't find anything it's better at than other T7 heavives.



tajj7 #20 Posted 17 November 2017 - 10:01 AM

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It's total crap but there is no way they are going to buff it now it will lead to two tanks.

 

See Bat Chat 12T and Tiger P for other examples, they want people grinding these turds for multiple tanks until they give in and free XP. 






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