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Dr_Oolen #1 Posted 17 November 2017 - 08:25 PM

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Seeing the way WG are balancing tanks lately, and espacially the new T10s on the test server, i realized that we've been mislabeling the ammo types in the game and/or that very soon WG will make changes to the regular/premium ammo system. Before I let you in on the realization, let me explain a bit.

 

The badger and the t10 french heavy tonk are both tanks that are 50/50 pens for 340 heat shells. Badgers ufp+superstructure is 330+ everywhere and it has unangled lfp ranging from 260-300. The T10 french is also 320+ everywhere, with tiny cupola that is almost autobounce angle and that is so far back the turret its very often not even properly visible. Then we of course have the buffed tortoise which is 270+ everywhere except for tiny bit of cupola, so once again, for average t9 premium ammo the tank is basically 50/50. The HD t28 is 255+ everywhere frontally without any weakspots, also 50/50 for all t8 premium ammo. Now of course such armor balancing is nothing new, we are already in the meta of "spam prem ammo to have 50/50 chance of doing damage, rather than 10% shooting regular ammo", these new tonks will obviously make it even more so.

 

And now to the realization bois. The ammo that we call "premium" is in fact these days the regular ammo, while the ammo we call "regular" is in fact the premium ammo, premium as in - you pay premium low price for it. So my expectation is that seeing WGs latest balancing efforts, the names of the ammos will be switched, gold price will be removed from the future regular ammo and the new premium ammo will be buyable with bonds!


Edited by Dr_Oolen, 17 November 2017 - 08:26 PM.


The_Georgian_One #2 Posted 17 November 2017 - 08:37 PM

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Good one. You can also call them rear-ammo and front-ammo. Rear-ammo is your standard AP, front is your apcr and HEAT.

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View PostDr_Oolen, on 17 November 2017 - 08:25 PM, said:

Seeing the way WG are balancing tanks lately, and espacially the new T10s on the test server, i realized that we've been mislabeling the ammo types in the game and/or that very soon WG will make changes to the regular/premium ammo system. Before I let you in on the realization, let me explain a bit.

 

The badger and the t10 french heavy tonk are both tanks that are 50/50 pens for 340 heat shells. Badgers ufp+superstructure is 330+ everywhere and it has unangled lfp ranging from 260-300. The T10 french is also 320+ everywhere, with tiny cupola that is almost autobounce angle and that is so far back the turret its very often not even properly visible. Then we of course have the buffed tortoise which is 270+ everywhere except for tiny bit of cupola, so once again, for average t9 premium ammo the tank is basically 50/50. The HD t28 is 255+ everywhere frontally without any weakspots, also 50/50 for all t8 premium ammo. Now of course such armor balancing is nothing new, we are already in the meta of "spam prem ammo to have 50/50 chance of doing damage, rather than 10% shooting regular ammo", these new tonks will obviously make it even more so.

 

And now to the realization bois. The ammo that we call "premium" is in fact these days the regular ammo, while the ammo we call "regular" is in fact the premium ammo, premium as in - you pay premium low price for it. So my expectation is that seeing WGs latest balancing efforts, the names of the ammos will be switched, gold price will be removed from the future regular ammo and the new premium ammo will be buyable with bonds!

 

Agreed, premium ammo is soon the only usable ammo.



ZlatanArKung #4 Posted 17 November 2017 - 08:51 PM

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View PostThe_Georgian_One, on 17 November 2017 - 08:37 PM, said:

Good one. You can also call them rear-ammo and front-ammo. Rear-ammo is your standard AP, front is your apcr and HEAT.

 

I call them.

 

Useful and useless ammo. 



Solexi #5 Posted 17 November 2017 - 08:52 PM

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View PostDr_Oolen, on 17 November 2017 - 07:25 PM, said:

 

And now to the realization bois. The ammo that we call "premium" is in fact these days the regular ammo, while the ammo we call "regular" is in fact the premium ammo, premium as in - you pay premium low price for it.


Indeed, the kind folks at WG let us use it to make credits without having to buy them from the store in one of those oh-so competitively priced bundles.
That's eating into their profits right there, so good on them for letting us use "standard" rounds.

Ha, that reminds me, have you guys seen the pen values for the 120mm used by the new French heavies?

218mm of pen for standard rounds or... 325 for premium!
 

 

 


Edited by Solexi, 17 November 2017 - 09:00 PM.


ZlatanArKung #6 Posted 17 November 2017 - 09:09 PM

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Next patch looks, if possible, even worse then the Maus buff patch.

ZlatanArKung #7 Posted 18 November 2017 - 12:39 AM

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With this new patch, it will be so [edited]fun to meet T28 in a T7 tank with premium ammo of maximum 250 pen, except some TDs.

Just think of the fun you get in the new MM When you always meet at least T8 tanks in your T7 and get to meet one of these. Then you are fucked and you can't do nothing to damage it.
Especially if you happen to meet it in a Black Prince, good luck running away.

[edited]retarded changes incoming.

Homer_J #8 Posted 18 November 2017 - 12:57 AM

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View PostDr_Oolen, on 17 November 2017 - 07:25 PM, said:

 The ammo that we call "premium" is in fact these days the regular ammo

 

Dingers are way ahead of you.

Beltalowda #9 Posted 18 November 2017 - 01:12 AM

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New French heavies don't get -10 gun depression ? That's the thing in this Year, isn't it ? -10 gun depression and impenetrable turret :), the answer to all balancing issues. 

 

By the way, massive thank you for ignoring the Leopard 1 again, at least you guys are consistent in this department, if nothing else.



ZlatanArKung #10 Posted 18 November 2017 - 01:33 AM

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View PostTrewSx, on 18 November 2017 - 01:12 AM, said:

New French heavies don't get -10 gun depression ? That's the thing in this Year, isn't it ? -10 gun depression and impenetrable turret :), the answer to all balancing issues. 

 

By the way, massive thank you for ignoring the Leopard 1 again, at least you guys are consistent in this department, if nothing else.

 

They are also consistent in removing weakspots and making armour thick enough to withstand regular ammo while weak enough to get penned by premium ammo.



Beltalowda #11 Posted 18 November 2017 - 02:01 AM

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 18 November 2017 - 12:33 AM, said:

 

They are also consistent in removing weakspots and making armour thick enough to withstand regular ammo while weak enough to get penned by premium ammo.

 

Yeah, that's also right. 

Afdass #12 Posted 18 November 2017 - 02:11 AM

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They make HD models and find a way to don't model the "weakspots". VK 45.02 B has a machine gun port at the front (not modeled). When HD the machine gun port will still not be modeled. If you wanna penetrate him you have to 1) shot the tinyass cupola on the top of the turret and praise all the gods to be a hit at least and not somehow a ghost shell that lands behind the tank. 2) wait for it give you the side armor or "flank" as if it's possible in the current game meta. Same with every other newly modeled/introduced tank in the game. We almost can count with our fingers how many tanks really have a visual and modeled weakspot. 

 

These are the issues with premium/regular ammo. No matter how higer your regular penetration is, once you find a broken unballanced tank with unballanced armor you have to shoot premium to be able to penetrate it. The "so-called" usual weakspots aka lower plates are becoming thicker than some uper plates lol... 


Edited by Afdass, 18 November 2017 - 02:14 AM.


ZlatanArKung #13 Posted 18 November 2017 - 08:21 AM

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View PostAfdass, on 18 November 2017 - 02:11 AM, said:

They make HD models and find a way to don't model the "weakspots". VK 45.02 B has a machine gun port at the front (not modeled). When HD the machine gun port will still not be modeled. If you wanna penetrate him you have to 1) shot the tinyass cupola on the top of the turret and praise all the gods to be a hit at least and not somehow a ghost shell that lands behind the tank. 2) wait for it give you the side armor or "flank" as if it's possible in the current game meta. Same with every other newly modeled/introduced tank in the game. We almost can count with our fingers how many tanks really have a visual and modeled weakspot. 

 

These are the issues with premium/regular ammo. No matter how higer your regular penetration is, once you find a broken unballanced tank with unballanced armor you have to shoot premium to be able to penetrate it. The "so-called" usual weakspots aka lower plates are becoming thicker than some uper plates lol... 

 

I am just awaiting a patch where WG not only make premium ammo have much higher Penetration,  but also make premium ammo do much more damage.



Homer_J #14 Posted 18 November 2017 - 08:30 AM

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 18 November 2017 - 07:21 AM, said:

 

I am just awaiting a patch where WG not only make premium ammo have much higher Penetration,  but also make premium ammo do much more damage.

 

Ah the golden days of the old conical gun on the VK3601 and premium ammo for gold only. 

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View PostHomer_J, on 18 November 2017 - 08:30 AM, said:

 

Ah the golden days of the old conical gun on the VK3601 and premium ammo for gold only. 

And soon we could have it again.






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