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Tomotorqemada #1 Posted 20 November 2017 - 11:11 PM

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Just quckly make me die in shame.
This question arose already many a time in regarding soviet LTs but then ok one could think gun was not the main part of an LT, hehe. But now first time in a long while I look at a MT t9 with a t7 gun and scratch me head in amazement. T-54, that is. And its like half-a-tank (over 10^5 exp) till you get a decent gun. What awe if you wont have to upgrad suspension in order to mount it.
Sametimes we have some tanks (no naming and shaming) who enjoy as thick as a tier+2 gun. 

There should be a simple answer - whither does this bloody discrimination come? And what r u supposed to do with 175 pen on a t9 med?



Enforcer1975 #2 Posted 20 November 2017 - 11:13 PM

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Use your mobility and shoot their derrière.

Or shoot gold.

Or free xp.



Strappster #3 Posted 20 November 2017 - 11:15 PM

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View PostTomotorqemada, on 20 November 2017 - 10:11 PM, said:

And what r u supposed to do with 175 pen on a t9 med?

 

Your best. :harp:

 

This is why I no longer use free xp for modules on lower tier tanks - you're going to need all you can get for the higher tiers.



Havenless #4 Posted 20 November 2017 - 11:17 PM

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Don't be toxic man. Aim for the weak spots and play support. All is gonna be fine.

Edited by Havenless, 20 November 2017 - 11:18 PM.


vasilinhorulezz #5 Posted 20 November 2017 - 11:24 PM

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When I was grinding for the top gun on both T-54 and T54E1, I just went full premium loadouts. Patience is the only thing you can do, till you have enough xp for the top gun.

Balc0ra #6 Posted 20 November 2017 - 11:33 PM

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Farm track and spotting assist. Seriously, that's the way I did grind past it years ago. Before even the 175 on the IS-6 was useless.



Spurtung #7 Posted 20 November 2017 - 11:45 PM

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If no free xp, you suck it up and earn little by little.

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unhappy_bunny #8 Posted 20 November 2017 - 11:59 PM

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View PostTomotorqemada, on 20 November 2017 - 11:11 PM, said:

And what r u supposed to do with 175 pen on a t9 med?

 

er, Be patient and grind up to get the better gun?



_Avenger_SRB_ #9 Posted 21 November 2017 - 12:01 AM

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Whenever you get bored of your t7 med, give tier 8 skirmishes a try and have a go against your local Defenders/VKs/Libertes. You'll run back to your t7 med vs t-54 in 20 minutes

Bennie182 #10 Posted 21 November 2017 - 12:05 AM

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View PostHavenless, on 20 November 2017 - 11:17 PM, said:

Don't be toxic man. Aim for the weak spots and play support. All is gonna be fine.

He is right, he will show you how to do it with his 38% wins :D

 

Seriously.. it's not great, but people already spam gold with it's over 200 pen. I rarely use it and do fine. It's not the gun, it's the player behind it. Wait for or create possibilities to flank or at least track enemies for assist damage. Spotting is also available as always.


Edited by Bennie182, 21 November 2017 - 12:07 AM.


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View PostTomotorqemada, on 20 November 2017 - 11:11 PM, said:

Just quckly make me die in shame.
This question arose already many a time in regarding soviet LTs but then ok one could think gun was not the main part of an LT, hehe. But now first time in a long while I look at a MT t9 with a t7 gun and scratch me head in amazement. T-54, that is. And its like half-a-tank (over 10^5 exp) till you get a decent gun. What awe if you wont have to upgrad suspension in order to mount it.
Sametimes we have some tanks (no naming and shaming) who enjoy as thick as a tier+2 gun. 

There should be a simple answer - whither does this bloody discrimination come? And what r u supposed to do with 175 pen on a t9 med?

 

Simple answer: you don't. Play other tanks and get free xp. Maybe if you can stand the punishment, double your tank every day, but if you want to stay sane, you simply don't play T8+ tanks if not fully upgraded. Events where you get X3/X5 for your first victory are useful, play as many different tanks as possible and simply collect free xp. If you are impatient, buy gold and convert free xp. Again, try to do so only when there is a discount.

 

It is a game. Games are supposed to be fun. Stock tanks are, by design, not enjoyable to play. It is up to you whether you, a) give in and convert free xp, or b) simply enjoy other tanks and patiently collect free xp whilst enjoying yourself. 



Gixxer66 #12 Posted 21 November 2017 - 12:13 AM

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Go back to the T-44 and unlock it's top gun - which happens to be the 2nd gun on the T-54, only slightly better @ 190mm Std pen but it's APCR has 247mm and better soft stats the 175mm pen D10T.

 

T-44 is alot better now than it used to be, I played 400 odd games in it before the buffs and enjoyed it tbh, but then again I like the T-34-2 so what do i know :D

 

Edit:

 

Just checked your stats out - I assume you free XP'd the T-54 as you don't have any std Soviet meds above Tier 5 - so scrub the above.

 

My advice would be to actually go and play the rest of line to the T-54, your stats indicate you could do with playing more than 600 odd battles in Mediums before you are ready for Tier 9 - in my opinion


Edited by Gixxer66, 21 November 2017 - 12:21 AM.


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Dont know about discrimination lol. T-54 is probably the only med which can load all top modules and full equipment without needing better tracks. On the other hand we have M46 patton which cant even use pershing top gun without better tracks...

Anyway you should have top gun from T44 which is pretty decent just load up half the shots or more APCR and get going. 247mm pen with apcr is more than enough for all but the most heavily armored td and heavies from the front and T-54 actually has enough mobility for flanking.

That even the top T-54 gun is T7/8 penetration wise is another matter. I really doubt they will change it though. They could easily give it obj 140 gun with worse stats and it would be fine considering we have tanks like leo pta which also has T10 gun.



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View PostGixxer66, on 21 November 2017 - 12:13 AM, said:

Go back to the T-44 and unlock it's top gun - which happens to be the 2nd gun on the T-54, only slightly better @ 190mm Std pen but it's APCR has 247mm and better soft stats the 175mm pen D10T.

 

T-44 is alot better now than it used to be, I played 400 odd games in it before the buffs and enjoyed it tbh, but then again I like the T-34-2 so what do i know :D

 

Thing is, you can also reach the T-54 via the Object 416. And if you do that, neither of the guns of the 416 carries over. So you go from a very decent 200pen 320 alpha gun of the 416 to the completely horrible 250 dmg gun on the T-54, then the very slightly less horrible 250dmg gun, then the turret, and only then the actual top gun of the T-54. And even then tracks and engine are not covered. It´s an absolute joke.

 

The other worst example is the ST-1. If you don´t grind the IS-3 first, have fun playing a slow-as-hell tier 9 heavy with a derpy 175mm pen gun. Both of these grinds show absolutely horrible designs - extreme cases of not carrying over perfectly adequate guns from the previous tank for no other reason other than to screw you over.

 

 

And then there is the other extreme of the spectrum. Like the VK 100 P which starts out with pretty much anything you need - top turret and a gun that is perfectly fine in alpha, handling and dpm, just a little bit on the low side of pen. Almost a viable alternative to the top gun. Why cant more stock grinds be like that?

 



Tomotorqemada #15 Posted 21 November 2017 - 01:34 AM

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View PostSchepel, on 21 November 2017 - 12:08 AM, said:

 

Simple answer: you don't. Play other tanks and get free xp. Maybe if you can stand the punishment, double your tank every day, but if you want to stay sane, you simply don't play T8+ tanks if not fully upgraded. Events where you get X3/X5 for your first victory are useful, play as many different tanks as possible and simply collect free xp. If you are impatient, buy gold and convert free xp. Again, try to do so only when there is a discount.

 

It is a game. Games are supposed to be fun. Stock tanks are, by design, not enjoyable to play. It is up to you whether you, a) give in and convert free xp, or b) simply enjoy other tanks and patiently collect free xp whilst enjoying yourself. 

 

This very last statement about games is something I've resigned from trying to deliver to folks' minds. This is a (costly) entertainment.

At least i dont have to grind a gun on t100)))))


Edited by Tomotorqemada, 21 November 2017 - 01:34 AM.


Tomotorqemada #16 Posted 21 November 2017 - 01:36 AM

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View PostGixxer66, on 21 November 2017 - 12:13 AM, said:

Go back to the T-44 and unlock it's top gun - which happens to be the 2nd gun on the T-54, only slightly better @ 190mm Std pen but it's APCR has 247mm and better soft stats the 175mm pen D10T.

 

T-44 is alot better now than it used to be, I played 400 odd games in it before the buffs and enjoyed it tbh, but then again I like the T-34-2 so what do i know :D

 

Edit:

 

Just checked your stats out - I assume you free XP'd the T-54 as you don't have any std Soviet meds above Tier 5 - so scrub the above.

 

My advice would be to actually go and play the rest of line to the T-54, your stats indicate you could do with playing more than 600 odd battles in Mediums before you are ready for Tier 9 - in my opinion

 

Lol i didnt freexp t54, i grinded it on lttb. In pain, i must say. and just because I had to repump 2 new girls who are now part of the t100 crew

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Get your wallet out or stop complaining. 

TheOneAboveAII #18 Posted 21 November 2017 - 04:00 AM

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You cry about 175mm on a mobile medium??? TAKE A LOOK AT THE [edited]ST-1 THAT HAS TO PLAY STOCK WITH 175MM OF PEN AND CAN BARELY MOVE!!!

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View PostTomotorqemada, on 20 November 2017 - 10:11 PM, said:

Just quckly make me die in shame.
This question arose already many a time in regarding soviet LTs but then ok one could think gun was not the main part of an LT, hehe. But now first time in a long while I look at a MT t9 with a t7 gun and scratch me head in amazement. T-54, that is. And its like half-a-tank (over 10^5 exp) till you get a decent gun. What awe if you wont have to upgrad suspension in order to mount it.
Sametimes we have some tanks (no naming and shaming) who enjoy as thick as a tier+2 gun. 

There should be a simple answer - whither does this bloody discrimination come? And what r u supposed to do with 175 pen on a t9 med?

You serious? This tank is a bulldozer. L2p it. And with your potato stats, I really dont understand WHY are you trying to play a higher tier tank, when you dont even have a CLUE about this game. Important positions on maps, spots where you can use the terrain to you're advantage (hard cover), where and when to find a weaknes in the enemy line and use it, counter enemy attacks, flank, etc...

 

I remeber at one point, I noticed that I'm playing like a potato and I wasn't getting any better, so I played up to t6 at most for quite some time, JUST TO GRASP THE MECHANICS, and reading up on some guides, youtube vids made by good players. And STILL to this day I make a stupid mistakes... How to get better - LEARN FROM THEM...


Edited by Nerth, 21 November 2017 - 08:17 AM.


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View PostTheOneAboveAII, on 21 November 2017 - 04:00 AM, said:

You cry about 175mm on a mobile medium??? TAKE A LOOK AT THE [edited]ST-1 THAT HAS TO PLAY STOCK WITH 175MM OF PEN AND CAN BARELY MOVE!!!

 

I top that with Jagdpanther: its first two guns have 150 and 145 pen.

And then they buff armor left, right and center - enjoy!

I am currently playing IKV 90 B, Jagdpanther, Obj. 416 (thanks for the outlook to the T-54 :sceptic:), Tiger 2, T-10 (with BL-9 from IS-3) (and hopeless M5 Stuart but that's a whole different story) - and now you guys tell me to free-exp all those guns and modules - sure... Not to mention that I don't have experience convertible with gold, because all goes into crews...


 

Edit: corrected pen values - mixed Tiger 2 and JPanther grind, and clarified convertible experience...


Edited by WhoCares01, 21 November 2017 - 10:54 AM.






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