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tumppi776 #1 Posted 21 November 2017 - 07:45 AM

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What I think about them is beyond irrelevant but here we go anyway :child: :

 

AMX 13 90: 50-100 more hitpoints. Higher pen for the premium APCR (this almost could do without any buffs)

 

T-54 ltwt: Better premium round, preferably 250 HEAT (this almost could do without any buffs)

 

T49: More camo, higher top speed (maybe then less DPM)

 

WZ-132A: Better handling for the 320 alpha gun including better fully aimed accuracy (even so there might be 0 reason to play this over T-54 ltwt)

 

RU 251: More dpm (even so there might be 0 reason to play this over T-54 ltwt)

 

 



Hamsterkicker #2 Posted 21 November 2017 - 09:21 AM

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Out of all these the only one that should get a proper buff is the WZ-132-A.. That tank is just a free XP sink from start to finish..

 

The other things you have to note is that all of these except for the WZ were good tier 8 light tanks that simply got tiered up and that they all lead up to nothing much as currently none of the Tier X lights are recommended over a Tier X medium like the BC 25 t or a Leopard 1.

 

I just don't really see the point in playing any of them anymore.



tumppi776 #3 Posted 21 November 2017 - 09:30 AM

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View PostHamsterkicker, on 21 November 2017 - 08:21 AM, said:

.. were good tier 8 light tanks...

 

Nice one - you almost had me fooled you were serious there :)

 

(the old T8 LTs were tragic at best)

 



Cobra6 #4 Posted 21 November 2017 - 10:19 AM

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AMX 13 90: Better pen, 215 instead of 205, 10m more viewrange, 2s aimtime. (played this last week to get 100K xp to unlock 13 105)

 

T-54 ltwt: Better camo, this thing gets spotted as easily as a medium tank.

 

T49: Faster aimtime and better dispersion values for the 152mm on turret rotation which is not 3 times as much (0.36 vs. 0.09) as any other T9 light. Aimtime down to 2,5s if dispersion stays at 0.58 as the effective aimtime currently is almost 5 seconds due to this combo. No other buffs needed to this vehicle.

 

WZ-132A: Not played yet, no comment.

 

RU 251: More dpm ~2400.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 21 November 2017 - 10:26 AM.


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View PostHamsterkicker, on 21 November 2017 - 09:21 AM, said:

Out of all these the only one that should get a proper buff is the WZ-132-A.. That tank is just a free XP sink from start to finish..

 

The other things you have to note is that all of these except for the WZ were good tier 8 light tanks that simply got tiered up and that they all lead up to nothing much as currently none of the Tier X lights are recommended over a Tier X medium like the BC 25 t or a Leopard 1.

 

I just don't really see the point in playing any of them anymore.

The wz is actually great and prob the best out of them. The gun is great, i perform almost as good in that as in the tier10. 

 

Yes, most tier9 light are former tier8s, but they are all tier8s that got nerfed. They are worse then they used to be a tier lower. Except the 13 90.



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13 90: Pretty strong, wouldnt touch this tbh, tho small HP buff wouldn't be the end of world

 

T-54 Ltwt: Probably camo or view range buff. Maybe base accuracy as currently it is absolutely horror.

 

T49: Maybe an accuracy OR a further slight DPM buff to make its advantage stand out. The gun handling on the derp is bad for a good reason. If anything the Sheridan needs buffs on its derp. Maybe the base accuracy buff to 0.50 - 0.53 would be okay but I dont think its really necessary.

 

WZ-132A: Seems unimpressive outside from alpha that is still worse than most MTs. Give it stronger turret like the tier 10, buff the handling, DPM and HP. This is basically a MT that is only slightly faster and stealthier but has infinitely worse gun, HP and armor so it also needs to have a good gun.

 

RU 251: Buff DPM, give it its old top speed back.

 

Tier 9 LTs are among the better of LTs tbh and there are way worse ones. Its the tier 10s that (still) need buffing. Especially the Rhm Panzerwagen. Its just sad.


Edited by leggasiini, 21 November 2017 - 02:21 PM.


Dava_117 #7 Posted 21 November 2017 - 02:28 PM

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View PostCobra6, on 21 November 2017 - 10:19 AM, said:

AMX 13 90: Better pen, 215 instead of 205, 10m more viewrange, 2s aimtime. (played this last week to get 100K xp to unlock 13 105)

 

T-54 ltwt: Better camo, this thing gets spotted as easily as a medium tank.

 

T49: Faster aimtime and better dispersion values for the 152mm on turret rotation which is not 3 times as much (0.36 vs. 0.09) as any other T9 light. Aimtime down to 2,5s if dispersion stays at 0.58 as the effective aimtime currently is almost 5 seconds due to this combo. No other buffs needed to this vehicle.

 

WZ-132A: Not played yet, no comment.

 

RU 251: More dpm ~2400.

 

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I like you idea. Would make those tanks intresting.

Just a point:  0.36 is 4 times 0.09. :)



ExistanceUK #8 Posted 21 November 2017 - 02:30 PM

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All tier 9 LTs (apart from the T49 Troll gun which needs removing) need better gun handling/dispersion, the low pen and bad pen loss over distance are enough for the most part to stop effective sniping. I'd argue that this is generally true of light tanks across all the tiers but especially the tier 10s which are tragic. 

 

Yes I'd agree the AMX 13 90 is the one that benefited the most in the transition to tier 9, although the T49 for me is now playable thanks to a 90mm that has sensible ammo types (it used to fire HEP as standard ammo for some daft reason). 


Edited by ExistanceUK, 21 November 2017 - 02:31 PM.


commer #9 Posted 21 November 2017 - 02:40 PM

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I''d rather they buff t10s again than t9s which are rather capable

vasilinhorulezz #10 Posted 21 November 2017 - 02:49 PM

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I think that tier 9 lights are in a pretty good spot right now,

and as everyone has stated over and over again, it's not that the class is bad, but mostly the map design that makes them look useless.



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View Posttumppi776, on 21 November 2017 - 07:45 AM, said:

 

 

T-54 ltwt: Better premium round, preferably 250 HEAT (this almost could do without any buffs)

 

 

 

Hm mb what about just a bloody flippin tier9 gun for a tier9 tank? xDDD



tumppi776 #12 Posted 21 November 2017 - 03:15 PM

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View PostTomotorqemada, on 21 November 2017 - 01:54 PM, said:

Hm mb what about just a bloody flippin tier9 gun for a tier9 tank? xDDD

 

But it so mobile and fast - and has actually some armor. IMO the gun is good - but the premium shell is obsolete

Bennie182 #13 Posted 21 November 2017 - 03:28 PM

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I don't want any buffs on T49's derp. This would make it OP in the hands of good players. I've seen so many shots (overall by derp guns) hitting targets, that if you look at the accuracy on paper, should miss it's target, especially when turning the turret (Type4/5, KV2, Pz IV etc).

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View Posttumppi776, on 21 November 2017 - 03:15 PM, said:

 

But it so mobile and fast - and has actually some armor. IMO the gun is good - but the premium shell is obsolete

 

Compare what a t54l tierr9 gun can do to dier9 tanks to what AMX1375F can do at the same time to tier 7 tanks

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View PostTomotorqemada, on 21 November 2017 - 03:34 PM, said:

 

Compare what a t54l tierr9 gun can do to dier9 tanks to what AMX1375F can do at the same time to tier 7 tanks

 

I like your logic of "since tank A is op lets make tank B op"

HundeWurst #16 Posted 21 November 2017 - 03:38 PM

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First 3 are perfect as they are. They dont need any changes.

Balc0ra #17 Posted 21 November 2017 - 07:31 PM

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13 90 and T-54 ltwt are perfectly fine.

T49 needs better gun handling on the 152 more so then speed and camo. And if you are gonna give it more camo, they need to nerf the 3K dpm on the 90mm. It's higher then the 152mm.

WZ132A.. 100% agree. It's by far the worst one of them all IMO.

RU? Well yeah and no. The issue is that the HE pen is so good. That more DPM it would just rape in any 1 on 1 vs most lights.

 

View PostCobra6, on 21 November 2017 - 10:19 AM, said:

T-54 ltwt: Better camo, this thing gets spotted as easily as a medium tank.

 

Mine is only 3 less then the 13 90. As in 36.31 vs 33.29.  And the 13 90 is a sneaky bastard. It's way better then it should be IMO. It's one of the better passive scouts on tier 9 for me. My T49 for instance has 28, and the RU's 32. That's not inc camo net, but everything else.


Edited by Balc0ra, 21 November 2017 - 07:34 PM.


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View PostDava_117, on 21 November 2017 - 01:28 PM, said:

 

I like you idea. Would make those tanks intresting.

Just a point:  0.36 is 4 times 0.09. :)

 

Even worse!

 

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Hiisi #19 Posted 22 November 2017 - 09:58 PM

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13 90, t-54ltw and t49 are fine.

 

ru-251 needs -10 depression in the front also. Model is able to depress -10 in the front also.

 

Wz-132a needs better gunhandling stats and bit better turret than wz-132. 



Rati_Festa #20 Posted 22 November 2017 - 11:39 PM

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T9s for me arent really a concern, the t7s are better. The t8s and T10s need buffing, making the t9s better would just highlight the t10 issues further imo




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