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hasnainrakha57 #1 Posted 21 November 2017 - 09:13 PM

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Recently grinded American (my first)autoloaders.Have avg 60 winrate on them.I am 50.50 winrate player and have 60 winrate on t57 heavy for 90 battles.If i only play with t57 soon i will be 60winrate + unicum player.Do you face such situation with autoloaders?. :)

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Eaglax #2 Posted 21 November 2017 - 09:20 PM

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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 21 November 2017 - 09:13 PM, said:

.If i only play with t57 soon i will be 60winrate + unicum player.

 

nope

 

View Posthasnainrakha57, on 21 November 2017 - 09:13 PM, said:

Do you face such situation with autoloaders?. :)

 

with certain tanks yes, it has nothing to do with autoloaders though, or is your obj704 an autoloader (~61% after ~300games)?:popcorn:


Edited by Eaglax, 21 November 2017 - 09:21 PM.


hasnainrakha57 #3 Posted 21 November 2017 - 09:22 PM

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View PostEaglax, on 21 November 2017 - 08:20 PM, said:

 

nope

 

 

with certain tanks yes, it has nothing to do with autoloaders though, or is your obj704 an autoloader (~61% after ~300games)?:popcorn:

But my avg on 704 is not good maybe rng helped me on 704.



K_A #4 Posted 21 November 2017 - 09:24 PM

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Autoloaders can have a higher skill cap, meaning if you're really really good at the game you can do even more exceptionally well in them, but at the same time if you do one mistake you will get punished much harder than in a regular tank. So for most players it will even out.

Enforcer1975 #5 Posted 21 November 2017 - 09:25 PM

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First...padding stats with a tank that makes it easy to farm wn8 isn't going to make you a unicum.

Second...autoloaders make it fairly easy for bots to do damage. Being able do a drums worth of damage in a few seconds is too much.

Third...You don't even have 100 battles in the tank yet, wait and see.


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hasnainrakha57 #6 Posted 21 November 2017 - 09:32 PM

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 21 November 2017 - 08:25 PM, said:

First...padding stats with a tank that makes it easy to farm wn8 isn't going to make you a unicum.

Second...autoloaders make it fairly easy for bots to do damage. Being able do a drums worth of damage in a few seconds is too much.

Third...You don't even have 100 battles in the tank yet, wait and see.

Well haven't seen any 40 to 49 winrate player doing dmg in autoloaders if they do for ex a bot do 7k dmg in t57 i check his stats on t57 2k avg dmg only.



Eaglax #7 Posted 21 November 2017 - 09:50 PM

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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 21 November 2017 - 09:22 PM, said:

But my avg on 704 is not good maybe rng helped me on 704.

 

sure....luck.....after ~300 games....more likely that you had luck in your 90 T57 games ;)

Phobos4321 #8 Posted 21 November 2017 - 09:58 PM

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 21 November 2017 - 09:25 PM, said:

First...padding stats with a tank that makes it easy to farm wn8 isn't going to make you a unicum.

Second...autoloaders make it fairly easy for bots to do damage. Being able do a drums worth of damage in a few seconds is too much.

Third...You don't even have 100 battles in the tank yet, wait and see.

 

strangly enough the global average damage for the WTF 100 was lower than the damage stored in a single clip ...

Anthony_1972 #9 Posted 21 November 2017 - 11:48 PM

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90 battles means nothing...   you might just have been lucky.     

With 100 battles, you have an error margin of 10% winrate.   I.e.. your 60% winrate could simply be 50%....

 

Play another 400 battles, and see if your winrate is still 60%... 

 

 

 



Codename_Jelly #10 Posted 22 November 2017 - 12:12 AM

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Most of my tanks are above 50% winrate but there are some that no matter how hard I try are ~40% and the more I play them the harder it is to get it to go up.

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View PostPhobos4321, on 21 November 2017 - 08:58 PM, said:

 

strangly enough the global average damage for the WTF 100 was lower than the damage stored in a single clip ...

 

Didn't people used to go round with HE loaded for the luls ?

RandomBlank #12 Posted 22 November 2017 - 09:13 AM

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Autoloaders are not a silver bullet.

 

They often have lousy depression/elevation. They often have dmg and pen poor enough you have less than one good shell's worth of damage split between 3-4 shells. They sometimes have inter-shell reload long enough that normal tanks out-gun them in direct exchange. They usually have a huge ammo rack sticking far out the back of the turret, begging to be shot.

 

I'm finding it damn frustrating, if I drive AMX 12t (tier 6 LT), fighting with a T67 (tier 5 TD), and the T67 - with a normal gun - can out-gun me by switching to HE immediately, no need to reload a clip; shoot at max ROF regardless of terrain due to superior depression/elevation, out-maneuver me (way better power/weight, same speed), and doesn't need to wait for clip reload.



Cobra6 #13 Posted 22 November 2017 - 10:35 AM

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Autoloaders and also light tanks have a very high skill ceiling. That is why Wargaming is doing everything in their power to handicap/cripple them in some way.

 

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View PostRandomBlank, on 22 November 2017 - 09:13 AM, said:

Autoloaders are not a silver bullet.

 

They often have lousy depression/elevation. They often have dmg and pen poor enough you have less than one good shell's worth of damage split between 3-4 shells. They sometimes have inter-shell reload long enough that normal tanks out-gun them in direct exchange. They usually have a huge ammo rack sticking far out the back of the turret, begging to be shot.

 

I'm finding it damn frustrating, if I drive AMX 12t (tier 6 LT), fighting with a T67 (tier 5 TD), and the T67 - with a normal gun - can out-gun me by switching to HE immediately, no need to reload a clip; shoot at max ROF regardless of terrain due to superior depression/elevation, out-maneuver me (way better power/weight, same speed), and doesn't need to wait for clip reload.

 

the AMX 12t, AMX 13 75 and a few others are weak autoloaders that have problems to one-clip other tanks, even one tier lower with paper armor.

 

other autloaders with better damage are completely unbalanced.



Rati_Festa #15 Posted 22 November 2017 - 12:12 PM

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I'm in agreement with OP. Autoloaders have got far more potential to inflate any players wn8.

 

Example 1 - Lowskill player can ( and do ) yolo and fill another player with a full clip before they die. They usually do one hit a game in a normal tank now they can do 4-5.

 

Example 2 - Medium skill player - can yolo when game is going badly, or pick and choose when to empty a full clip into a low skill player that has been isolated 1 vs 1.

 

Example 3 - High skill player will pick his moments when to strike and can be devastating by just fear factor alone ( this can then inflate wr as enemy teams start to do silly things as they are xvm aware ). I did this in my SP1c before the nerf 381 games wn8 2563 !!!!!!!!, my base is around 1600 wn8 and this was over a year ago, I'm a better player now.

 

Example 4 - Unicum players.... can alter the whole mindset of team that are XVM aware. The player usually drops in behind the med pack and that group annihilate the opposition.

 

All four scenarios which I see on a regular basis improve wn8s across the board ( perhaps lesser so on the unicums ).


Edited by Rati_Festa, 22 November 2017 - 12:14 PM.


Nishi_Kinuyo #16 Posted 22 November 2017 - 12:19 PM

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Ha ha ha...

The Type 5 Chi-Ri implies otherwise. ;)



ramram70 #17 Posted 22 November 2017 - 12:27 PM

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No.

 

My WR in IS-3 after first 50-80'ish matches was about 61 %. Now after 220 matches it's about 50 % (I thought I finally have a tank which is noob-proof but it isn't. It should be MM-proof also).



SlyMeerkat #18 Posted 22 November 2017 - 12:28 PM

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I have no idea because i dont play for numbers though i do play to do my best of course which should be the main thing in a game :)

Eaglax #19 Posted 22 November 2017 - 12:28 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 22 November 2017 - 12:19 PM, said:

Ha ha ha...

The Type 5 Chi-Ri implies otherwise. ;)

 

but...but...it's an autoloader..... so it is automatically OP and unbalanced.... :bajan:



dennez #20 Posted 22 November 2017 - 12:29 PM

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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 21 November 2017 - 09:13 PM, said:

Recently grinded American (my first)autoloaders.Have avg 60 winrate on them.I am 50.50 winrate player and have 60 winrate on t57 heavy for 90 battles.If i only play with t57 soon i will be 60winrate + unicum player.Do you face such situation with autoloaders?. :)

 

Its called clipping frenzy bias. You think you do more damage in an autoloader because you rush out and clip something from full health while gently rubbing your pants.. And then you die.

Autoloaders are not autowin, they're a lot harder to play than single shot tanks, because you always have to think before you start unloading.. Will i be able to kill him and GTFO? Where do i go when i have clipped? Am i really sure  i didnt overcommit here? Should i save a shot?  Shall i unload my whole clip in a trade or not?

 

 






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