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mishu123 #1 Posted 23 November 2017 - 02:53 PM

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HOW???

 



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55k battles and asking that question ?!

WOW !



OreH75 #3 Posted 23 November 2017 - 03:02 PM

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How you know it was a male? Females do play as well you know...

Jahrakajin #4 Posted 23 November 2017 - 03:10 PM

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Also please don't create Threads with all caps in the title. Some more constructive opening post would also be a good start.



etody77 #5 Posted 23 November 2017 - 03:12 PM

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sometimes theshells bounce from LT, if you shoot at long distance and the shell has low velocity

Matcorr #6 Posted 23 November 2017 - 03:22 PM

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Tracks can absorb the damage. That's all I know about it. Here's a question, for missions that have to do with tracking, is it a good idea to use HE?

SuedKAT #7 Posted 23 November 2017 - 03:45 PM

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View PostMatcorr, on 23 November 2017 - 03:22 PM, said:

Tracks can absorb the damage. 

Thick armor can also absorb the blast, which is why you still need to aim HE shells if you're going after something reasonably armored and especially if you got a small caliber gun.

View PostMatcorr, on 23 November 2017 - 03:22 PM, said:

Here's a question, for missions that have to do with tracking, is it a good idea to use HE?

 

 I'd say it depends, both on the tank you're using but also if you just need to track or if you also need a larger amount of assistance damage from it. Derp someone with the Pz IV H and you most likely track them and get some assistance damage, but if you need 5k assistance damage you'll not get it. Derp someone with a tier 10 and you might track them depending on what you drive, but they most likely will repair their tracks so you need to do it again and then I'd personally use something with a bit better shell velocity like APCR and just keep shooting road-wheels to track people instead.

 

 

 



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HE does not bounce, but it is possible to not cause damage to the enemy if damage reduction through armor thickness exceeds the damage roll of the HE round. HE damage can further be reduced if the shell detonates at a distance from the vehicle´s inside armor, for example by hitting the vehicle´s gun, the tracks, or spaced armor, making it more likely to not cause damage to the vehicle it hit.

 

You should really know that.


Edited by Uebergewicht, 23 November 2017 - 03:55 PM.


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HE bounced because HE didn't know where to shoot YOUR tank.

 

I hope that helped.



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View Postetody77, on 23 November 2017 - 04:12 PM, said:

sometimes theshells bounce from LT, if you shoot at long distance and the shell has low velocity

 

On a fail thread you had to lower the bar even further. High Explosive shells don't lose penetration with increased distance.

etody77 #11 Posted 23 November 2017 - 04:24 PM

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View PostSpurtung, on 23 November 2017 - 04:21 PM, said:

 

On a fail thread you had to lower the bar even further. High Explosive shells don't lose penetration with increased distance.

BUT THEY HOW LOW PEN



Cobra6 #12 Posted 23 November 2017 - 04:27 PM

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Because otherwise Maus drivers become upset (like in the old days) when they still die by a 1000 cuts, even if it's just 100 HE damage from a 7,5cm gun, it's still 100 damage.

 

Wargaming had to cater for this complaint obviously because we all know how much they like "Steve the IS-7 Driver" and how much they cater for him.

 

Back in the days HE always did roughly the same damage, no matter the caliber and it was a great mechanic because it ensured that you could always damage a target in a relatively consistent fashion.

Shooting a Maus with a 7,5cm did between 50-100 damage per shot HE, shooting with a 122 did about 150-200, shooting with a 12,8 did 200-250 etc.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 23 November 2017 - 04:48 PM.


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View Postetody77, on 23 November 2017 - 04:24 PM, said:

BUT THEY HOW LOW PEN

 

Yes, and sure it's more likely that you'll miss when shooting at a target from a greater distance, but if you hit you will do exactly the same damage when you hit the same spot as while shooting at the same target from a shorter distance. Your HE shell most likely hit the tracks or gun of the LT and got absorbed. Also note that there is no crew voices for "we hit the target with HE but it didn't penetrate and we hit something that absorbed it" so the crew will shout "we just scratched them" regardless of what actually happened.

Edited by SuedKAT, 23 November 2017 - 04:33 PM.


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View Postetody77, on 23 November 2017 - 03:12 PM, said:

sometimes theshells bounce from LT, if you shoot at long distance and the shell has low velocity

 

In real life HE works based on velocity. Here it don't. As it don't lose it's effect or pen over distance like other shell does. I suspect you hit tracks, and your HE splash did not get past or within armor to drain it's HP.

 

View Postetody77, on 23 November 2017 - 04:24 PM, said:

BUT THEY HOW LOW PEN

 

Then why use it vs LT's if you think the pen is to low?

 

You can say HE bounces in away "but not really".. As with AP it will do nothing if you hit to thick armor.  As if you hit to thick armor for your HE shell. The thickness of the armor will nullify the damage. Rendering the HE shell useless. So HE will not always do damage regardless. There is a reason why most low caliber guns don't have HE, like the T7 CC or the Pz 1C. It would be 100% useless. If not then they would do at least 40 damage pr clip to a Maus even.


Edited by Balc0ra, 23 November 2017 - 04:34 PM.


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View Postetody77, on 23 November 2017 - 05:24 PM, said:

BUT THEY HOW LOW PEN

 



etody77 #16 Posted 23 November 2017 - 05:26 PM

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i have't started this topic. Usually, i shoot AP, not HE. I know about trajectory and velocity. And yes, it hapened to me to shoot ap on moving LT and have only bounce. Just because they angled the tanks and my shell has not enough speed. I bounced some shoots with LT too. But, look at topic title, and at the afirmation with HE. ^^HE shells damage always, doesn't matter if they pen or not (happened sometimes to do only critical hits or nothing on maus/Jgpz E100 Type4-5 heavy) Bounce happens.

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View Postetody77, on 23 November 2017 - 05:26 PM, said:

i have't started this topic. Usually, i shoot AP, not HE. I know about trajectory and velocity. And yes, it hapened to me to shoot ap on moving LT and have only bounce. Just because they angled the tanks and my shell has not enough speed. I bounced some shoots with LT too. But, look at topic title, and at the afirmation with HE. ^^HE shells damage always, doesn't matter if they pen or not (happened sometimes to do only critical hits or nothing on maus/Jgpz E100 Type4-5 heavy) Bounce happens.

 

I suggest you reread the thread since all the replies have pretty much explained how HE works, you even have a video and if even that don't do it you have the technical description of the mechanic in the Wiki.

Edited by SuedKAT, 23 November 2017 - 05:29 PM.


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View PostSuedKAT, on 23 November 2017 - 05:29 PM, said:

 

I suggest you reread the thread since all the replies have pretty much explained how HE works, you even have a video and if even that don't do it you have the technical description of the mechanic in the Wiki.

 

it's not mine, i have only posts here, so...

Slyspy #19 Posted 23 November 2017 - 06:13 PM

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View Postetody77, on 23 November 2017 - 05:45 PM, said:

 

it's not mine, i have only posts here, so...

 

You could still do with watching that video though.

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View Postmishu123, on 23 November 2017 - 02:53 PM, said:

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