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shousee #1 Posted 24 November 2017 - 11:17 PM

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I cant actualy believe how M103 bad is, getting hit by spg every single time for 700. Getting penned to upper/lower plate 70% of time and then there is this amazing top of turret. How can you play this stupid crapwhen u face tier 10s or even equal or lower tier tanks can pen this *heavy tank my [edited]*. Idk why I chosed this garbage [edited]line to grind.

Stereoscope #2 Posted 24 November 2017 - 11:21 PM

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I think this has to do with experience.

I find it a great tank, one of the best American tanks in the game.  Outside of my E3 (only 49 games with it), it is my highest (win ratio) American tank at 56% with my T95 and T14.  OK, my Thunderbolt is at 63%, but...yeah.

The thing with the M103 is, you need to be careful with your turret as it is very good at front but if you turn it even a bit to the side, it is easy target.

As for the lower plate, well, that's the majority of tanks really.  Just don't give easy shots to the enemy.


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Warzey #3 Posted 24 November 2017 - 11:33 PM

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View Postshousee, on 24 November 2017 - 10:17 PM, said:

I cant actualy believe how M103 bad is, getting hit by spg every single time for 700. Getting penned to upper/lower plate 70% of time and then there is this amazing top of turret. How can you play this stupid crapwhen u face tier 10s or even equal or lower tier tanks can pen this *heavy tank my [edited]*. Idk why I chosed this garbage [edited]line to grind.

 

Oh yes, M103 is garbage and so is T110E5 that comes after it, although it's not as bad as M103 tier for tier. 

There is literally no point in grinding T110E5 when you can get your hands on tanks like Super Conqueror and WZ-111 5A.

As for tips how to play M103, your best bet is to play it as a second line support tank, so basically focus on mid to long range combat from a preferably strong position. If you go in a close range combat against equal and higher tier heavies you'll just get wrecked, not to mention that your turret sides become vulnerable as soon as you slightly turn your turret.  



Erwin_Von_Braun #4 Posted 24 November 2017 - 11:42 PM

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View Postshousee, on 24 November 2017 - 10:17 PM, said:

I cant actualy believe how M103 bad is, getting hit by spg every single time for 700. Getting penned to upper/lower plate 70% of time and then there is this amazing top of turret. How can you play this stupid crapwhen u face tier 10s or even equal or lower tier tanks can pen this *heavy tank my [edited]*. Idk why I chosed this garbage [edited]line to grind.

 

So, it is the M103's fault that YOU get hit by arty?

 



japtank #5 Posted 24 November 2017 - 11:57 PM

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Don't grind the E5 line, no point in the current meta.

M103 was once a nice tank though, but the whole line just isn't worth it anymore.

Not that E5 is a bad tank, it's just that a few other heavies just overperform it.

 

Do yourself a favor and just put your M103 aside for the time being.

Don't sell it though, they might rebalance the line in the future.



Codename_Jelly #6 Posted 24 November 2017 - 11:59 PM

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View PostErwin_Von_Braun, on 24 November 2017 - 10:42 PM, said:

 

So, it is the M103's fault that YOU get hit by arty?

 

 

He never said that, he said he was getting it for 700+ by arty not just getting hit by arty

Erwin_Von_Braun #7 Posted 25 November 2017 - 12:03 AM

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View PostCodename_Jelly, on 24 November 2017 - 10:59 PM, said:

 

He never said that, he said he was getting it for 700+ by arty not just getting hit by arty

 

It was open to misinterpretation:hiding:

AvengerOrion #8 Posted 25 November 2017 - 12:55 AM

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It turns out that if you are picking off russian tanks from 1,5-2,5 km, weakspots like the rooftop are not a problem when russian tanks fire back.

 

Unlike 15-25 meter in World of Tanks. :(



Sfinski #9 Posted 25 November 2017 - 08:41 AM

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View PostErwin_Von_Braun, on 25 November 2017 - 01:03 AM, said:

 

It was open to misinterpretation:hiding:

 

Which you like to do regarding arty. 

EltvilleTiger #10 Posted 25 November 2017 - 08:45 AM

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M103 is a good tank... not the best, just good.  The gun is nice and the armor can be used effectively but it is not the best brawler.  I remember the tank being almost unbearable before I fully researched and equipped it (as with most tanks).  So, unless you are fully upgraded, just give it some time.  

 

I didn't keep it.  I researched the E5 (never bought it) and sold the M103 to fund other tanks.  



uglycousin #11 Posted 25 November 2017 - 08:46 AM

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View PostWarzey, on 25 November 2017 - 12:33 AM, said:

 

Oh yes, M103 is garbage and so is T110E5 that comes after it, although it's not as bad as M103 tier for tier. 

There is literally no point in grinding T110E5 when you can get your hands on tanks like Super Conqueror and WZ-111 5A.

As for tips how to play M103, your best bet is to play it as a second line support tank, so basically focus on mid to long range combat from a preferably strong position. If you go in a close range combat against equal and higher tier heavies you'll just get wrecked, not to mention that your turret sides become vulnerable as soon as you slightly turn your turret.  

 

I don't think M103 is truly garbage, but it sure as heck ain't a gem. T110E5 is still decent, worth the grind. Funny enough, pre-nerf E5 would now be balanced in the current meta imho. Pretty ironic. :)

 

Other than that, the tips are exactly what I wanted to write so no point repeating. :)



Erwin_Von_Braun #12 Posted 25 November 2017 - 09:34 AM

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View PostSfinski, on 25 November 2017 - 07:41 AM, said:

 

Which you like to do regarding arty.

 

Not quite sure how I would misinterpret arty?:confused:

Jigabachi #13 Posted 25 November 2017 - 09:39 AM

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Still grinding it, it's one of the coolest looking tanks in the game.
And it's rather sad to see that so many players choose their tanks only by their numbers...

Hammerhead20 #14 Posted 25 November 2017 - 09:45 AM

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I have my M103 in the garage and I will not sell it.

 

Once it's fully upgraded, it's really fun tank to play.

 

Yes, armor is actually nothing special, but this tank is not so bad as you think.



Warzey #15 Posted 25 November 2017 - 01:05 PM

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View Postuglycousin, on 25 November 2017 - 07:46 AM, said:

 

I don't think M103 is truly garbage, but it sure as heck ain't a gem. T110E5 is still decent, worth the grind. Funny enough, pre-nerf E5 would now be balanced in the current meta imho. Pretty ironic. :)

 

Other than that, the tips are exactly what I wanted to write so no point repeating. :)

 

I'll admit that M103 is not garbage as in unplayable, but compared to other T9 heavies like T-10, WZ-111 1-4 and Conqueror it doesn't really shine.

Funny you should mention pre-nerf T110E5, I totally agree that the old version would work better in current meta, and to be perfectly honest I don't think that old version of T110E5 was as OP as people made it out to be. 

 

Now that I said that I bet brumbarr will storm along, whip out some of his fancy graphs and slap me like the [edited]I am.



ZlatanArKung #16 Posted 25 November 2017 - 01:11 PM

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View PostWarzey, on 25 November 2017 - 01:05 PM, said:

 

I'll admit that M103 is not garbage as in unplayable, but compared to other T9 heavies like T-10, WZ-111 1-4 and Conqueror it doesn't really shine.

Funny you should mention pre-nerf T110E5, I totally agree that the old version would work better in current meta, and to be perfectly honest I don't think that old version of T110E5 was as OP as people made it out to be. 

 

Now that I said that I bet brumbarr will storm along, whip out some of his fancy graphs and slap me like the [edited]I am.

The old E5 would work in current T10, but it would still be weak imo.

 

It was good in the old T10, maybe even to good. But nowhere near as OP as some tanks are in today's WoT.



uglycousin #17 Posted 25 November 2017 - 01:23 PM

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View PostWarzey, on 25 November 2017 - 02:05 PM, said:

 

I'll admit that M103 is not garbage as in unplayable, but compared to other T9 heavies like T-10, WZ-111 1-4 and Conqueror it doesn't really shine.

Funny you should mention pre-nerf T110E5, I totally agree that the old version would work better in current meta, and to be perfectly honest I don't think that old version of T110E5 was as OP as people made it out to be. 

 

I completely agree. :)



shousee #18 Posted 25 November 2017 - 06:33 PM

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Thanks for discussion everyone, I started to play US Heavy line back in like 2008 or something like that. I dont realy remember but it was a long time ago. I remember playing my T1 Heavy and getting rekt by those KV-1 with huge dmg and amazing armor. Back then ppl said that T110E5 was good so I decided to grind this line. But after I got my M6 I quit. Started playing now and my highest tier tank was T29 which is amazing tank so I decided to continue even tho I knew russians are OP regarding to armor. I was looking forward to step up from T32 (that tank is garbage compared to other T8 heavies and premiums). Decided to skip up entire T32 grind with free exp so I can finaly play a decent tank. After I finaly got my gun on M103 that actualy can pen something I got into game. But then I realized that my top of turret (that is actualy huge hitbox) is so huge and can be penned by every single gun that it will ever meet. It was so frustrating trying to play as a Heavy when ur turret is weaker then turrets or Mediums that are a tier lower than u, *cough T-54 first prototype cough*. They buffed and reworked Russians, Brits, Germans etc. Weakpoints are beeing removed from tanks so u can spam gold to pen supperstructure on Jpz. E100 like a cheeze. I dont mind my top of the turret even if like 10 or 20 more armor would help a lot. But when other tanks does not have those weakspots its hard man. Sorry for beeing toxic but so much wasted time :(

Edited by shousee, 25 November 2017 - 06:36 PM.


tankzman #19 Posted 25 November 2017 - 06:38 PM

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WG nerf E5 cupola, then give S-conq cupola u cant pen with regular ammo. Nice logic

Edited by tankzman, 25 November 2017 - 06:38 PM.


shousee #20 Posted 25 November 2017 - 06:44 PM

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View Posttankzman, on 25 November 2017 - 06:38 PM, said:

WG nerf E5 cupola, then give S-conq cupola u cant pen with regular ammo. Nice logic

 

Typical retard that cant say anything related to topic, who said I want all the tank to have huge weakspots. I said it would be good if other tanks would have some weakspots not a cuppola on S.conq. I understand that design of M103 making its turret so weak compared to others is ok, but it could be a bit better. I said when u compare it to other heavies its garbage.





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