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Masternaut #1 Posted 27 November 2017 - 01:13 PM

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We all know that there are a few bad apples in every tech-tree and they are there for a reason. But these two tanks used to be somewhat good, the recent power creep has just made them obsolete. (I'm not going to say anything about the T110E5, other than that in my opinion it was never as OP as some people claimed it to be, and in current state of the game should be buffed back to what it was)

 

Leopard 1

 

This is was one of my favorite tanks in the game. I don't think it was never considered to be even one of the stronger tier X mediums, but it had it's place in the game. Some might have even seen it used in strongholds and clan wars on certain maps.

But tanks like STB-1, AMX 30 B (which got a nice buff to dpm and armor) and surprisingly the Strv 103B has taken it's place. It has the best dispersion and aim time of the TX meds, but other than that it has nothing going on for it. It has quite bad dispersion values while moving the turret or the tank. You can't rely on your armor (what armor lol) at all. You can't say its much faster than it's competitors. Also the general nerf to accuracy, I believe two years ago, hurt it quite much. The accuracy is nowhere close to being enough for a tank built for sniping from long range. I think only the E 50M has worse dpm, if autoloaders are not taken. Strv is a far better option if you wan't to play a sniper. 

 

FCM 50t

 

This tank has quite a similar story than the Leopard 1: it was never the top dog. We all know what has happened in the tier 8 premium meta, and it hasn't treated this old girl well. The FCM is a heavy medium, which means it isn't a good heavy, or a good medium. I don't understand why they kept this tank in the game after the introduction of CDC and M4 mle. 54 (other than that people had payed for it, obviously). 

Even the Type 59 has recently been buffe so yeah umm nuff said. The only redeeming factor of the FCM is it's premium MM, and now that MM has also changed that isn't much. 

 

I'd like to hear your opinions, and also if you have anything to add to this list.



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View PostMasternaut, on 27 November 2017 - 01:13 PM, said:

We all know that there are a few bad apples in every tech-tree and they are there for a reason. But these two tanks used to be somewhat good, the recent power creep has just made them obsolete. (I'm not going to say anything about the T110E5, other than that in my opinion it was never as OP as some people claimed it to be, and in current state of the game should be buffed back to what it was)

 

Leopard 1

 

This is was one of my favorite tanks in the game. I don't think it was never considered to be even one of the stronger tier X mediums, but it had it's place in the game. Some might have even seen it used in strongholds and clan wars on certain maps.

But tanks like STB-1, AMX 30 B (which got a nice buff to dpm and armor) and surprisingly the Strv 103B has taken it's place. It has the best dispersion and aim time of the TX meds, but other than that it has nothing going on for it. It has quite bad dispersion values while moving the turret or the tank. You can't rely on your armor (what armor lol) at all. You can't say its much faster than it's competitors. Also the general nerf to accuracy, I believe two years ago, hurt it quite much. The accuracy is nowhere close to being enough for a tank built for sniping from long range. I think only the E 50M has worse dpm, if autoloaders are not taken. Strv is a far better option if you wan't to play a sniper. 

 

FCM 50t

 

This tank has quite a similar story than the Leopard 1: it was never the top dog. We all know what has happened in the tier 8 premium meta, and it hasn't treated this old girl well. The FCM is a heavy medium, which means it isn't a good heavy, or a good medium. I don't understand why they kept this tank in the game after the introduction of CDC and M4 mle. 54 (other than that people had payed for it, obviously). 

Even the Type 59 has recently been buffe so yeah umm nuff said. The only redeeming factor of the FCM is it's premium MM, and now that MM has also changed that isn't much. 

 

I'd like to hear your opinions, and also if you have anything to add to this list.

 

AMX 30b has not taken leopards place. It didn't get a buff but a sidegrade. It is less accurate, has a slower shel with less pen. Yeah the bloom and dpm is nice but the tank plays differently now.

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I cant comment on your 2 points as I don't own and haven't played either of them, but I can add this:

AC 46, who even wants this Pos? its the size of a house, has no armour against anything in its own tier or even the tier below because of the huge fat cupola's on the roof, and the gun takes 3 seconds to aim meaning if you want to deal damage when its needed, you either have to be up-close and facehugging where your fat cupola's are a huge risk, or "attempt" to snipe with the derpy gun stats and no camo...

your view range is also lacklustre at best meaning you cant be the spear head when top tier either.. its a massive failure if you try to

who thought this thing was balanced? they never even gave it any treatment in the French TD buff either which was a bit mean


 

imo if its an assault TD (which im guessing its meant to be) it needs those roof cupola's buffed so they aren't pen by even a T5 med tank with AP (they're 105mm effective) or if its meant to be a sniper, buff the gun aiming and dispersion so it can actually snipe


 


 



jack_timber #4 Posted 27 November 2017 - 02:03 PM

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Not to bothered about your tonks but if all of mine could be buffed that would be appreciated, yes I know selfish swine I am:)

Masternaut #5 Posted 27 November 2017 - 02:42 PM

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View Postcommer, on 27 November 2017 - 01:26 PM, said:

 

AMX 30b has not taken leopards place. It didn't get a buff but a sidegrade. It is less accurate, has a slower shel with less pen. Yeah the bloom and dpm is nice but the tank plays differently now.

 

I know, it's more of a brawler now. The tank which really has taken Leopards place as the top sniper now is the Strv.

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All Tier 8 mediums. M60.

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JocMeister #9 Posted 27 November 2017 - 03:05 PM

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They shouldnt buff tank.

 

They should nerf pretty much every TX tank across the board to make T8 viable again.



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Stb-1 took the place of leo? Wut? Stb-1 aims for 3 days, and when it finally aims after moving...misses at least half the shots...

TheOneAboveAII #11 Posted 27 November 2017 - 03:11 PM

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Now about tanks that need buffing...T-34-2 this one SCREAMS for help, but wg is deaf.

AHLagman #12 Posted 27 November 2017 - 03:38 PM

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Penetration for the T-43, overall stats for the Pershing, and overall stats for the M46 Patton.

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Problem is that if WG buffs something it's one of those Maus levels of overbuffs

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ARL 44. People avoid mounting the top guns cause either one takes ages to aim, and with either one you have rather high chance for missing in anything but close combat or when aiming for the side of a large tank. Then your reload takes ages even with the 90mm. This thing is a joke even for a support heavy.



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View PostAHLagman, on 27 November 2017 - 03:38 PM, said:

overall stats for the M46 Patton.

So you want the tank that is used for S T A T P A D D I N G at T I E R 9, buffed? Wut m8? Very good dpm, very good gun handling, good mobility, with the recent buff, good turret, -10 degrees of gun depression, 410m view range...what do you want more on it? 400 standard pen with 1000 alpha and the same rof with light tank cammo and 80 top speed?



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View PostTsundereWaffle, on 27 November 2017 - 04:41 PM, said:

Problem is that if WG buffs something it's one of those Maus levels of overbuffs

 

That or its a completely useless buff that keeps the tank irrelevant and since its "buffed" it will now stay irrelevant for next 2 years at least

 

or its a complete rework that ruins the tank by making it aids to play with and aids to play against...



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As long as WG refuses to fix their horrible mapdesign, we actually don't need more buffs, we need a lot of nerfs. Powercreep is bad enough already.

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View Postleggasiini, on 27 November 2017 - 04:34 PM, said:

 

That or its a completely useless buff that keeps the tank irrelevant and since its "buffed" it will now stay irrelevant for next 2 years at least

 

or its a complete rework that ruins the tank by making it aids to play with and aids to play against...

 

proceeds to give the FV4202 it's 6th mobility buff

Cobra6 #19 Posted 27 November 2017 - 04:53 PM

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All Clanwars reward vehicles a part from the Obj907 (121B, T95E6, Chieftain/T95, KV4 Kres, M60, IS-5 etc.).

STB-1 gun handling buff.

 

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Balc0ra #20 Posted 27 November 2017 - 04:55 PM

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Well you can add the Leo PTA on that list. I sold mine the second I got the AMX 30 on tier 9. I see no point keeping it or the Leo 1 after they got buffed. Then again, we don't know what next patch will focus on. As there is at least one more patch inc in the "balance focus" they have been on of late. As they said it would last until March at the min.

 

But... there is still plenty of tanks I want to be buffed. Inc some old forgotten premiums like the poor Matilda IV with it's 86 pen.

 

View PostJocMeister, on 27 November 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:

They shouldnt buff tank.

 

They should nerf pretty much every TX tank across the board to make T8 viable again.

 

That still won't help the IS-6 tbh, as some tier 8's struggle vs tier 8's even, yet alone tier 9's and X's. As I doubt they will nerf the Maus so much that your 200 pen tier 8's can pen it head on, or at any angle with auto aim. Because then, tier X games would be useless to.

 

 






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