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skero #1 Posted 27 November 2017 - 08:20 PM

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Why players who actually did good job in the game or even great job but still lost the game because of random team mates are not rewarded accordingly??

 

I mean this is ridiculous. The best player on the losing team mostly get even less experience than worst player on the winning team who literally did nothing. Wtf?

 

If you played well you should not be punished by having bad players on your side or just bad luck.

 

Of course you would get less so you still care about winning the game but the current state is just stupid.

 

 

 


Edited by skero, 27 November 2017 - 08:21 PM.


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View Postskero, on 27 November 2017 - 07:20 PM, said:

Why players who actually did good job in the game or even great job but still lost the game because of random team mates are not rewarded accordingly??

 

 

They do, according to their impact in actually winning the game.

 

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I mean this is ridiculous. The best player on the losing team mostly get even less experience than worst player on the winning team who literally did nothing. Wtf?

 

Now this is just bs.

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If you played well you should not be punished by having bad players on your side or just bad luck.

 

If you played even better you would've won.

 

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Of course you would get less so you still care about winning the game but the current state is just stupid.

 

So win more.



Hedgehog1963 #3 Posted 27 November 2017 - 08:34 PM

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View Postskero, on 27 November 2017 - 07:20 PM, said:

Why players who actually did good job in the game or even great job but still lost the game because of random team mates are not rewarded accordingly??

 

To make winning "the thing."

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skero #5 Posted 27 November 2017 - 08:44 PM

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No they don´t. I saw E100 on enemy team did 700 assistance dmg and nothing more and player with 4,5k dmg overall on the losing team. E100 almost 700 exp. vs 375. Well, that´s fair. So if other players win the game for you and you suck balls you still be rewarded for NOTHING! Great logic.

Edited by skero, 27 November 2017 - 08:45 PM.


PoIestar #6 Posted 27 November 2017 - 08:49 PM

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View Postskero, on 27 November 2017 - 08:44 PM, said:

No they don´t. I saw E100 on enemy team did 700 assistance dmg and nothing more and player with 4,5k dmg overall on the losing team. E100 almost 700 exp. vs 375. Well, that´s fair. So if other players win the game for you and you suck balls you still be rewarded for NOTHING! Great logic.

 

Love to see a replay file of that. Mostly the player on the losing team who did the most gets credited with a nice amount of exp, which will encourage winning next time. If not, who cares. Losing happens sometimes, you shouldn't be raging about losing but use it as an example to be better next time. Also, winning people who do nothing get credited with nothing. So if that E 100 spotted it at least means he moved and tried doing something for the team. 4.5k dmg and getting 375 exp seems like a good joke to me. Everyone can throw numbers at their screen.

Edited by PoIestar, 27 November 2017 - 08:50 PM.


skero #7 Posted 27 November 2017 - 09:26 PM

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View PostPoIestar, on 27 November 2017 - 08:49 PM, said:

 

Love to see a replay file of that. Mostly the player on the losing team who did the most gets credited with a nice amount of exp, which will encourage winning next time. If not, who cares. Losing happens sometimes, you shouldn't be raging about losing but use it as an example to be better next time. Also, winning people who do nothing get credited with nothing. So if that E 100 spotted it at least means he moved and tried doing something for the team. 4.5k dmg and getting 375 exp seems like a good joke to me. Everyone can throw numbers at their screen.

 

Sorry, actually it was only 366... And I don´t care if it is exp here or there but the whole idea of not rewarding at least equally the best players with worst from both teams is retarded. Because those players DESERVE it unlike those who just win by accident. Worst player on enemy team got 589 exp for 31dmg and 1,2k assistance. Just LOL! So if you play good games but your team mates keep suck balls you end up with this cr*p XP. Logic is REAL!

 

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If you do a good job op you get sometimes courageous resistance bonus, got that loads of times when I lost a game.

Balc0ra #9 Posted 27 November 2017 - 09:54 PM

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If they do well enough. And do the damage they claim. It usually follows with a high caliber medal. Thus you get basic win bonus on top of it IF you get an epic medal. If you don't. And did not even do 10% of the total damage. Should he still get it? Unless you are saying that the top player on the losing team, should get the actual win bonus regardless, and not the basic one if he actually did well enough for a medal?

 

If anything, it would only reward bad play more then good play. 

 

View Postskero, on 27 November 2017 - 08:44 PM, said:

No they don´t. I saw E100 on enemy team did 700 assistance dmg and nothing more and player with 4,5k dmg overall on the losing team. E100 almost 700 exp. vs 375. Well, that´s fair. So if other players win the game for you and you suck balls you still be rewarded for NOTHING! Great logic.

 

700 XP for 700 assist damage? I find that hard to believe. As I have plenty of 8 and 10K assist games with zero damage, where I got less then 700 xp for winning it. As most that did the old variants of LT-15 can show you. Assist gives such a small bonus vs damage that I doubt that. 


Edited by Balc0ra, 27 November 2017 - 09:55 PM.


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View Postskero, on 27 November 2017 - 08:20 PM, said:

Why players who actually did good job in the game or even great job but still lost the game because of random team mates are not rewarded accordingly??

Because it would be hard for the system to differentiate between "players who did a good job" and "toptier heavies who camped base and did all their heroic damage when the match was already lost".

Simples.


Edited by Jigabachi, 27 November 2017 - 10:48 PM.


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View Postskero, on 27 November 2017 - 07:20 PM, said:

 

The best player on the losing team mostly get even less experience than worst player on the winning team who literally did nothing. Wtf?

 

 

That would want to be SOME f***ing meltdown to be THAT bad and still the best on the losing team.. like two shots is "the best" but I've seen it happen. Other than that if you have had a strong battle you will still be rewarded the same as winning... I think? At least that is to say I had several battles over the last few days in which the team just absolutely dissolved faster than a vitamin-c effervescent dropped into a glass of water but I personally had a strong battle so got the same for if I had won in both xp and credits... even Ace tanker. 

Whenever I was top of the team and got 300xp I was totally s*** or got gang rushed or whatever. In other words I didn't do much damage, but while I might have been bad, my teammates were something else!! SO bad in fact that I was top player with just a couple of shots, but nothing worth rewarding more that the worst winning player and rightfully I wasn't!! 



Phobos4321 #12 Posted 27 November 2017 - 10:26 PM

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also earning any epic medal would give you a reward like winning anyway so if you are so good  a sucking team doesnt really matter beside  you wont get your 2x for first daily victory

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View PostPhobos4321, on 27 November 2017 - 10:26 PM, said:

also earning any epic medal would give you a reward like winning anyway so if you are so good  a sucking team doesnt really matter beside  you wont get your 2x for first daily victory

 

No, it is still less compared to what would have happened if you won the game.



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View Postskero, on 27 November 2017 - 07:20 PM, said:

Why players who actually did good job in the game or even great job but still lost the game because of random team mates are not rewarded accordingly??

 

 

They are rewarded accordingly.  We don't need any more encouragement for sitting on the redline farming useless damage.  The first season of ranked battles showed what happens if you reward losing.

 

Play well, win more, profit.



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View PostPlan_B_from_Outer_Space, on 27 November 2017 - 10:43 PM, said:

 

No, it is still less compared to what would have happened if you won the game.

 

the bonus is the same  the main differnce  comes from being destroyed, surviving enemy tanks and a lesser teamscore

of course you would miss daily bonus too

but you still earn more than on a normal loss



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View Postskero, on 27 November 2017 - 07:20 PM, said:

Why players who actually did good job in the game or even great job but still lost the game because of random team mates are not rewarded accordingly??

 

I mean this is ridiculous. The best player on the losing team mostly get even less experience than worst player on the winning team who literally did nothing. Wtf?

 

If you played well you should not be punished by having bad players on your side or just bad luck.

 

Of course you would get less so you still care about winning the game but the current state is just stupid.

 

 

 

 

I lost but I did good didn't I , give me a medal

Pay me, even if I failed to do the job

Reward me for not coming first.

Reward me for doing a good job while my team was crap around me

It's not my fault.

 

It's yours.

 

F'kin unicums ruining the game for everyone else. Why do think we abuse you, losers!!!

 

Edit: okay, a bit far, irony stretch for the mods (sorry guys) but....yeah..do what you have to....

 

 


Edited by Pvt_Duffer, 28 November 2017 - 01:27 AM.


Codename_Jelly #18 Posted 28 November 2017 - 02:29 AM

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View PostK_A, on 27 November 2017 - 07:25 PM, said:

 

 

 

Now this is just bs.

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O'Rly, you may want to take a look at this.

Spoiler

 

Oh, I managed to find another one.

 

Spoiler

 


Edited by Codename_Jelly, 28 November 2017 - 02:37 AM.


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View PostPhobos4321, on 27 November 2017 - 09:26 PM, said:

also earning any epic medal would give you a reward like winning anyway so if you are so good  a sucking team doesnt really matter beside  you wont get your 2x for first daily victory

 

IF you earn one, some tanks its damn hard to get even a 3rd class mastery badge in despite doing extremely well in it.

 

I had a 4-5k damage game in Tortoise a while back and it wasnt good enough for 3rd class.


Edited by Codename_Jelly, 28 November 2017 - 02:32 AM.


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View Postmathwat, on 27 November 2017 - 08:30 PM, said:

If you do a good job op you get sometimes courageous resistance bonus, got that loads of times when I lost a game.

 

Yes, me too.

I always want to go and slap it in the face of those, on my team. that did bugger all to help.






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