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WZ-132-1 T-54 ltwt

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Beltalowda #1 Posted 28 November 2017 - 04:52 PM

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...yet the ability to hit what you aim at is completely opposite to the stats showed in the garage.

 

WZ-132-1

5 skill crew with the 5th skill being at 63% atm. My dispersion sits at 0.39 and even when I do like this tank the feeling of complete hopelessness while trying to hit the targets I am fully aimed at is beyond comprehension. My shot are flying all over the place but on target, if I manage to hit and pen one third of my shots I might as well call it a good game.

 

T-54 ltwt

3 skill crew with the third skill being at 91% atm. The dispersion value is exactly the same 0.39, but the feeling could not be more different, I can reliably hit what I am aiming at and I'd say that 80% of shots fired will make connection with the target.

 

How come that same stats when it comes to dispersion can be so different in actual gameplay ? No, I don't believe that this is all on RNG, game after game in the WZ the shots are just refusing to hit anything. And then when I play a few games in a row with T-54 ltwl it's all magically happening and you hit most of your shots.

 

I am getting sick of it already, it feels like Russian tanks have to be better at everything.

 



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View PostTrewSx, on 28 November 2017 - 04:52 PM, said:

...yet the ability to hit what you aim at is completely opposite to the stats showed in the garage.

 

WZ-132-1

5 skill crew with the 5th skill being at 63% atm. My dispersion sits at 0.39 and even when I do like this tank the feeling of complete hopelessness while trying to hit the targets I am fully aimed at is beyond comprehension. My shot are flying all over the place but on target, if I manage to hit and pen one third of my shots I might as well call it a good game.

 

T-54 ltwt

3 skill crew with the third skill being at 91% atm. The dispersion value is exactly the same 0.39, but the feeling could not be more different, I can reliably hit what I am aiming at and I'd say that 80% of shots fired will make connection with the target.

 

How come that same stats when it comes to dispersion can be so different in actual gameplay ? No, I don't believe that this is all on RNG, game after game in the WZ the shots are just refusing to hit anything. And then when I play a few games in a row with T-54 ltwl it's all magically happening and you hit most of your shots.

 

I am getting sick of it already, it feels like Russian tanks have to be better at everything.

 

 

First of all final acc is the same but bloom on the WZ is MUCH MUCH worse so unless 100% of your shots are fully aimed (and that's after considering lags) then WZ will be MUCH more inaccurate. Also the t54 has a 10% faster shell which also helps with making it seem more accurate

Cobra6 #3 Posted 28 November 2017 - 04:57 PM

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It's funny because the WZ-131 and WZ-132 are great at on the move snapshotting, it's why I like them so much.

 

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LeGod7 #4 Posted 28 November 2017 - 04:58 PM

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View Postcommer, on 28 November 2017 - 04:55 PM, said:

 

First of all final acc is the same but bloom on the WZ is MUCH MUCH worse so unless 100% of your shots are fully aimed (and that's after considering lags) then WZ will be MUCH more inaccurate. Also the t54 has a 10% faster shell which also helps with making it seem more accurate

 

WZ-132-1 actually has the faster shell. The standard APCR on the tier 9 lights is actually fairly slow for an APCR round.

 

T-54 ltw has the better movement dispersions, but the WZ has the better aim time, so shouldn't be a huge difference in that regard, might be more that the WZ fires much more slowly so is more noticeable when you miss and you feel it more cos you have to wait like 9s to reload, rather than like 6s. 

 

 


Edited by LeGod7, 28 November 2017 - 04:59 PM.


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View PostLeGod7, on 28 November 2017 - 04:58 PM, said:

 

WZ-132-1 actually has the faster shell. The standard APCR on the tier 9 lights is actually fairly slow for an APCR round.

 

T-54 ltw has the better movement dispersions, but the WZ has the better aim time, so shouldn't be a huge difference in that regard, might be more that the WZ fires much more slowly so is more noticeable.

 

 

 

Can you please not post BS. WZ120-1 has 950 shell velocity and t54lwt has 1050. Also Wz has worse aim time. Finally the difference in bloom is HUGE not tiny:

 

https://tanks.gg/com...-ltwt?t=wz-132a



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View PostCobra6, on 28 November 2017 - 03:57 PM, said:

It's funny because the WZ-131 and WZ-132 are great at on the move snapshotting, it's why I like them so much.

 

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I can usually agree with you, but not this time. Chinese LT's are not great at firing on the move, that is complete bollocks.

RandomBlank #7 Posted 28 November 2017 - 07:35 PM

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This is what they call "gun handling". Dispersion after moving the gun (be it turret, tank traverse or tank movement), aim time, dispersion after firing. Light tanks generally have superior gun handling, making them able to shoot accurately while on the move, get in position, shoot and get out before the enemy gets to spot them, maneuver quickly. TDs usually have really lousy gun handling but frequently better accuracy - spend a long time to aim and snipe the enemy from a distance. They also have either of: superior armor, superior camo, superior depression, or superior alpha. They can either hide (bushes+camo, or ridge),  or they can brawl (armor, alpha; remember, even if you have no armor, a dead enemy can't shoot you back.)



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View Postcommer, on 28 November 2017 - 04:00 PM, said:

 

Can you please not post BS. WZ120-1 has 950 shell velocity and t54lwt has 1050. Also Wz has worse aim time. Finally the difference in bloom is HUGE not tiny:

 

https://tanks.gg/com...-ltwt?t=wz-132a

Don't want to be pedantic but you've linked to 132a. 132-1 has 1200 m/s according to tanks gg. 



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View PostTrewSx, on 28 November 2017 - 04:26 PM, said:

 

I can usually agree with you, but not this time. Chinese LT's are not great at firing on the move, that is complete bollocks.

 

That is funny because the WZ-131 with the 85mm was a laser gun on the move for me at least...... But I guess it could have been perception.

 

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HassenderZerhacker #10 Posted 28 November 2017 - 08:35 PM

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I have the same feeling about my Leo PTA. despite vents and BIA, fully aimed shots hit much less than they should IMO.

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View PostCobra6, on 28 November 2017 - 09:24 PM, said:

 

That is funny because the WZ-131 with the 85mm was a laser gun on the move for me at least...... But I guess it could have been perception.

 

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This.

 

The old versions of these tanks had insane gun values with the 85mm making them capable of snapshooting from hundreds of meters even at speeds over 50


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