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Poll: Do you agree with my Data (18 members have cast votes)

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Do You feel like you agree with my data

  1. Yes-the data is accurate to my experience of RNG in auto loader (13 votes [72.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 72.22%

  2. No-I feel like I have higher rolls on average in autoloaders (5 votes [27.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.78%

  3. No- I feel like my rolls in auto loader are much lower on average than the data suggests (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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lumberjack500 #1 Posted 29 November 2017 - 06:16 PM

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Personally it felt like in autoloaders RNG hits me the worst compared to other tanks, particularly my 50B, so after doing some research over 100 games and getting my mark from 75% to 81.63% and back down to 77% and counting all my rolls (including going through all the replays). These are the results i got: 

Average Roll: 372.9 (400 in game) 

Number of min-rolls 15 (300 dmg)

Number of max-rolls: 2 (500 dmg) 

Number of rolls between 350-450: 67% 

Number of Rolls between 300-349: 22% 

Number of rolls between 451-500: 11% 

 

Personally i find this frankly ridiculous maybe it is just my luck but the majority of people in the 3 clans i am associated with (U-L, U_L and U--L) agreed that they feel the same way when playing autoloaders. 

How do you Feel about it? 



TheOneAboveAII #2 Posted 29 November 2017 - 06:32 PM

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Definetely...lost the count on how many times my 1200 magazine on lorraine wasn't able to kill a target at around 1k hp...or how many times I got around 1k dmg from the entire magazine...

Edited by TheOneAboveAII, 29 November 2017 - 06:32 PM.


sir_wizington #3 Posted 29 November 2017 - 06:51 PM

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I feel the same with the T57 heavy, although the main problem with that tank isnt the dmg rolls, its the inability to hit anything, id say on average i get 2-3/4 hitting shots and 2/4 penning per clip. 

 

when all the shots do hit and pen (a once per 100 game event :P)  I always remember being disappointed with a total clip damage of 1450-1520, never over 1.6k

 

I think maybe thats a good thing as auto loaders are unbalanced, not OP but unbalanced. WG try to balance them by giving long clip reloads but IMO the inter shot reload is waaay to quick, i think they should all be like the amx 50 120 and emils, around 3.3 seconds. Still get the burst dmg, just gives the opponent a chance to fight back.



ApocalypseSquad #4 Posted 29 November 2017 - 06:52 PM

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View PostTheOneAboveAII, on 29 November 2017 - 06:32 PM, said:

Definetely...lost the count on how many times my 1200 magazine on lorraine wasn't able to kill a target at around 1k hp...or how many times I got around 1k dmg from the entire magazine...

 

You should probably tell us how high you can count so that we know how much credence to give to this? - Because over a reasonable sample size that number is extraordinarily likely to be non-zero....

Vajsravana #5 Posted 29 November 2017 - 06:55 PM

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Data is very strange... did you exclude all killing shots from your samples?

spamhamstar #6 Posted 29 November 2017 - 07:03 PM

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View Postlumberjack500, on 29 November 2017 - 05:16 PM, said:

Personally it felt like in autoloaders RNG hits me the worst compared to other tanks, particularly my 50B, so after doing some research over 100 games and getting my mark from 75% to 81.63% and back down to 77% and counting all my rolls (including going through all the replays). These are the results i got: 

Average Roll: 372.9 (400 in game) 

Number of min-rolls 15 (300 dmg)

Number of max-rolls: 2 (500 dmg) 

Number of rolls between 350-450: 67% 

Number of Rolls between 300-349: 22% 

Number of rolls between 451-500: 11% 

 

Personally i find this frankly ridiculous maybe it is just my luck but the majority of people in the 3 clans i am associated with (U-L, U_L and U--L) agreed that they feel the same way when playing autoloaders. 

How do you Feel about it? 

 

I hadn't really noticed a lot of low rolls tbh, but I haven't been keeping track.  They do seem to leave you short when trying to clip people sometimes, but I assumed that was just confirmation bias on my part.  There's enough for me to worry about already with all the hacks & rigged mm going on :trollface:

 

Do we know how these figures compare to non-autoloaders?  Do they also get twice as many low rolls as high ones?



SlyMeerkat #7 Posted 29 November 2017 - 07:06 PM

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Indifferent 

vasilinhorulezz #8 Posted 29 November 2017 - 07:23 PM

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It's a dice, it wouldn't be called random if it had consistency.

Avtonom #9 Posted 29 November 2017 - 07:33 PM

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Fully agree and confirm. Every time I pay attention to my recent shots in Lorraine 40t I get frustrated as they are consistently lower than average 300

TheOneAboveAII #10 Posted 29 November 2017 - 08:12 PM

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View PostApocalypseSquad, on 29 November 2017 - 06:52 PM, said:

 

You should probably tell us how high you can count so that we know how much credence to give to this? - Because over a reasonable sample size that number is extraordinarily likely to be non-zero....

Well...lets see...shall we?...ok...0...1...2...3...1 billion...2 billion...3 billion...1 "infinitillion"...2 "infinitillion"...3 "infinitillion"...



Homer_J #11 Posted 29 November 2017 - 08:29 PM

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View Postlumberjack500, on 29 November 2017 - 05:16 PM, said:

Personally it felt like in autoloaders RNG hits me the worst compared to other tanks, particularly my 50B, so after doing some research over 100 games and getting my mark from 75% to 81.63% and back down to 77% and counting all my rolls (including going through all the replays). These are the results i got: 

Average Roll: 372.9 (400 in game) 

Number of min-rolls 15 (300 dmg)

Number of max-rolls: 2 (500 dmg) 

Number of rolls between 350-450: 67% 

Number of Rolls between 300-349: 22% 

Number of rolls between 451-500: 11% 

 

Personally i find this frankly ridiculous maybe it is just my luck but the majority of people in the 3 clans i am associated with (U-L, U_L and U--L) agreed that they feel the same way when playing autoloaders. 

How do you Feel about it? 

 

View PostVajsravana, on 29 November 2017 - 05:55 PM, said:

Data is very strange... did you exclude all killing shots from your samples?

 

This.

 

What did you do about kill shots?  You have no way of knowing how they rolled.  It's unlikely they rolled exactly the damage needed for the kill.



jabster #12 Posted 29 November 2017 - 08:31 PM

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View PostVajsravana, on 29 November 2017 - 05:55 PM, said:

Data is very strange... did you exclude all killing shots from your samples?

 

It’s not just kill shots, it’s any shot that can’t do maximum damage. So if a gun does 100 damage on average all shots on targets with less than 125hp should be excluded.

Phobos4321 #13 Posted 29 November 2017 - 08:44 PM

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is it really about how we feel about something  when you want to work with hard statistics

 

than again it isnt clear if your statistics are valid  because of killshots etc



Cobra6 #14 Posted 29 November 2017 - 09:46 PM

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Yep, autoloaders have an annoying tendency to always either low-roll or bounce one shot in the clip.

 

It's the reason why I always assume my Batchat will do 1200 damage per clip and not 1800, that way I don't get surprised.

Same for all other autoloaders, I always mentally deduct one shell from the clip potential and compare that to the enemy HP.

 

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Vajsravana #15 Posted 29 November 2017 - 09:57 PM

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View Postjabster, on 29 November 2017 - 09:31 PM, said:

 

It’s not just kill shots, it’s any shot that can’t do maximum damage. So if a gun does 100 damage on average all shots on targets with less than 125hp should be excluded.

 

Ah, right! This is actually the correct way, thanks.

jabster #16 Posted 29 November 2017 - 10:06 PM

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View PostVajsravana, on 29 November 2017 - 08:57 PM, said:

 

Ah, right! This is actually the correct way, thanks.

 

The first time I saw that I also thought why but when it’s explained it’s one of those obvious but why didn’t I think of that moments.

ExclamationMark #17 Posted 29 November 2017 - 10:19 PM

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I call BS on all of that data. 

 



brumbarr #18 Posted 29 November 2017 - 10:48 PM

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yeah, I dont trust the data, did you exclude all shot that  shot a tank below 500 hp?

TsundereWaffle #19 Posted 29 November 2017 - 11:14 PM

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Did you actually spend your time on watching 100 replays? Now that is some serious dedication right there

Tomotorqemada #20 Posted 29 November 2017 - 11:38 PM

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View Postlumberjack500, on 29 November 2017 - 06:16 PM, said:

Personally it felt like in autoloaders RNG hits me the worst compared to other tanks, particularly my 50B, so after doing some research over 100 games and getting my mark from 75% to 81.63% and back down to 77% and counting all my rolls (including going through all the replays). These are the results i got: 

Average Roll: 372.9 (400 in game) 

Number of min-rolls 15 (300 dmg)

Number of max-rolls: 2 (500 dmg) 

Number of rolls between 350-450: 67% 

Number of Rolls between 300-349: 22% 

Number of rolls between 451-500: 11% 

 

Personally i find this frankly ridiculous maybe it is just my luck but the majority of people in the 3 clans i am associated with (U-L, U_L and U--L) agreed that they feel the same way when playing autoloaders. 

How do you Feel about it? 

 

i feel like autoloaders shall be nerfed unless WG introduces missles and plasmacannons in the game. Railgun is fine, too.




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