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Poll: Awful Panther gun (23 members have cast votes)

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Which gun would like to have on the Afk Panther the most?

  1. 7.5 cm with first stats (amazing gun handling + great velocity + good RoF + 135 alpha + 221 APCR pen (no gold) + 0.30 accuracy) (13 votes [56.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 56.52%

  2. 7.5 cm with second stats (same handling, velocity and DPM (more alpha = worse RoF) as the first one + 180 alpha + 201 APCR pen (no gold) + 0.33 accuracy) (3 votes [13.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.04%

  3. 10.5 cm gun, stats shown below (7 votes [30.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.43%

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leggasiini #1 Posted 30 November 2017 - 12:03 PM

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Spiritual successor to the VK 28.01 (I guess? HE spam is not really viable tho unless going for penetrations), perhaps. They are testing this alongside with the 7.5 cm gun and then decide which one will be used on the finalized tank whenever they release it.

 

  • very good alpha for a LT
  • DPM is pretty good for LT as well
  • Has special "HEP" shells like other German hightier lights
  • has extremely low aiming time
  • poopy accuracy but its expected

 

When its top tier, it looks awfully (no pun intended) strong, especially VS other LTs and lowtiers, but might suffer on bottom tier as it is forced to flank. Then again, the 7.5 cm gun with its 200 mm APCR pen without any gold round is not really any better so this might be the better gun afterall. I still prefer the 7.5 cm in its original iteration with better accuracy, 220 mm pen for less alpha damage (but higher RoF).

 

Discuss.


Edited by leggasiini, 30 November 2017 - 12:18 PM.


commer #2 Posted 30 November 2017 - 12:13 PM

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I'd prefer they kept the original low dmg pea shooter (before the alpha change) and incresed the rof so it reloads close to 3s and gave it a workable prem round. Make it a t8 t-34

LeGod7 #3 Posted 30 November 2017 - 12:18 PM

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More interesting than the second version.

 

Still, like you, I preferred the first 7.5cm gun we saw with 221 APCR pen as standard, 160 damage, 0.29 accuracy.

 

167 AP pen on a tier 8 is very low, but 330 alpha on a mobile tank is good, especially with 430 high pen HE as well. 0.42 accuracy is not great but then WZ has 0.38 on a 250 alpha gun and most the tier 9 lights have 0.38 - 0.4. 

 

DPM is higher on this gun, than the other gun, which is weird and with the premium HE you'd essentially have about 2.8k DPM against other lights.  Also Ram another light + 430 damage high pen HE round is going to devastate something like a 13-90. 

 

So for me old 7.5 cm gun > 105mm gun > new 7.5cm gun. 



Dr_Oolen #4 Posted 30 November 2017 - 12:19 PM

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the initial option was by far the best one... but you cant have people not have to shoot gold 24/7 these days, so thats why they will end up going with the gun prem ammo of which has less pen that the regular ammo of the other options :XD

 

Other than that this 105 is way better than the intermediate 75... more dpm on double the alpha with same pen on gold ammo? Lmao... wg balancing at its best. Still, the tank with that gun (105) will be a pure meme tank useless 95% of the time and then once per 10 games ramming a light for 600 and blaping it for 400 with the HE...


Edited by Dr_Oolen, 30 November 2017 - 12:21 PM.


ZlatanArKung #5 Posted 30 November 2017 - 12:39 PM

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I don't see a problem here. It looks better then the regular German T8 light, so it is fine imo.
 

View PostDr_Oolen, on 30 November 2017 - 12:19 PM, said:

the initial option was by far the best one... but you cant have people not have to shoot gold 24/7 these days, so thats why they will end up going with the gun prem ammo of which has less pen that the regular ammo of the other options :XD

 

Other than that this 105 is way better than the intermediate 75... more dpm on double the alpha with same pen on gold ammo? Lmao... wg balancing at its best. Still, the tank with that gun (105) will be a pure meme tank useless 95% of the time and then once per 10 games ramming a light for 600 and blaping it for 400 with the HE...

I thought you know this.

 

Premium ammo is becoming the standard ammo.

 

And 200 pen on a T8 light is OK. 


 

Dr_Oolen #6 Posted 30 November 2017 - 12:42 PM

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 30 November 2017 - 12:40 PM, said:

I thought you know this.

 

Premium ammo is becoming the standard ammo.

 

And 200 pen on a T8 light is OK. 

 

yes, 200 standard pen on t8 light would be ok indeed, and since premium ammo is the standard ammo, then yes, its good :)

 

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Search_Warrant #7 Posted 30 November 2017 - 02:25 PM

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How about giving us BOTH guns? why shouldent prems/reward tanks get a option?

bitslice #8 Posted 30 November 2017 - 02:38 PM

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Unless it carries bushes stapled to its hull, and a camo slightly less than a barn, and faster than phelgm on a cold icicle, then there is no pointy in buying into WoT'$ idea of a "light tank".

 

Whatever map you get, you die, and that's assuming you don't spontaneously flip over whilst counting down in spawn

 

 

I only remember the original Aufklärungspanzezerfgsdsdgssdg being my slowest light (despite what the paper stats said).


Edited by bitslice, 30 November 2017 - 02:39 PM.


LeGod7 #9 Posted 30 November 2017 - 02:44 PM

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People should remember that is being talked about not as a premium for the shop, so more likely a reward tank for something, which means no credit bonus so it will be a massive credit drain with 167 pen.

 

 



SlyMeerkat #10 Posted 30 November 2017 - 02:58 PM

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Indifferent 

Balc0ra #11 Posted 30 November 2017 - 03:28 PM

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105 HE pen? So it can ram and derp LT's to death? Well I would actually be interested in it if it had that gun.

 

View PostLeGod7, on 30 November 2017 - 02:44 PM, said:

People should remember that is being talked about not as a premium for the shop, so more likely a reward tank for something, which means no credit bonus so it will be a massive credit drain with 167 pen.

 

 

 

Considering how many tier 8 LT's are being tested atm. I would not be surprised to see one of them going a different way then the store. Tho as you said, talked about... not confirmed or final.

And if you can't afford to spam gold ammo, and AP won't do much, 105 HE pen on a 105mm gun is still not 100% useless. But if it's even a bit more mobile vs the old tier 7. And it works in a bully role. You won't need much gold ammo.



_Anarchistic_ #12 Posted 30 November 2017 - 03:35 PM

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mmm, never played this tank, was removed before I researched it

 

just wonder how they will balance a tier 7 tank now at tier 8?   cant just be extra HP?



leggasiini #13 Posted 30 November 2017 - 03:45 PM

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View Post_Anarchistic_, on 30 November 2017 - 04:35 PM, said:

mmm, never played this tank, was removed before I researched it

 

just wonder how they will balance a tier 7 tank now at tier 8?   cant just be extra HP?

 

It had scout MM back then, so it was effectively a tier 8, anyway.

 

View PostSearch_Warrant, on 30 November 2017 - 03:25 PM, said:

How about giving us BOTH guns? why shouldent prems/reward tanks get a option?

 

Agree, they already have such tanks in Blitz.

Pandabird #14 Posted 30 November 2017 - 03:49 PM

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badabum #15 Posted 30 November 2017 - 06:12 PM

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I don't like it when they take away a tank i enjoyed and then offer to sell it for money... They did it with the Lorraine and now again with the Auf. Panther.  

 

At least in the past previous owners had the option of a marathon to keep the tank (FV4202).



Cobra6 #16 Posted 30 November 2017 - 08:34 PM

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The first gun was interesting and a very viable option. It was great to have great pen but low alpha, makes it interesting to use and unique from all the others. If anything, the pen should be increased to 240 standard because it has no premium ammo and it's APCR only which has a much higher penetration drop over range.

 

10,5cm is absolutely stupid and should not even be considered.

 

7,5cm with the rebalanced stats is not a good idea, makes it like any other T8 light *AND* it gets no gold ammo in which case the pen is simply not enough.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 30 November 2017 - 09:03 PM.


Homer_J #17 Posted 30 November 2017 - 08:39 PM

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View Postleggasiini, on 30 November 2017 - 02:45 PM, said:

 

It had scout MM back then, so it was effectively a tier 8, anyway.

 

And it was called the AFK panther, the Awful Panther, etc. for a reason.

 

Instead of shoehorning it into tier 8 they should just downgrade it to tier 7 standards.  Or 6 even.  Or maybe 5 where it can compete with the PzV/IV.



captainpigg #18 Posted 30 November 2017 - 08:45 PM

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 30 November 2017 - 01:25 PM, said:

How about giving us BOTH guns? why shouldent prems/reward tanks get a option?

 

Agreed, I would like to see the 3cm autocannon as an option as well, just for the lulz.

Zhongze_Li #19 Posted 30 November 2017 - 09:01 PM

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My proposal:

 

1. Like other said give them both gun options;

2. If you make the standard and premium pen rubbish might as well just have a HE / HEAT choice like the derp VK with hilarious fast firing gun. I still miss my little VK :arta: :( since the change I have 105 mounted on the panther for the lolz (and got my 2nd mark of excellence using that!) but it's not as fun and don't have the same playstyle.


Edited by Zhongze_Li, 30 November 2017 - 09:02 PM.


PoIestar #20 Posted 30 November 2017 - 09:16 PM

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I have never known what to think of the Aufklaranananungspanzer. There used to be a time everyone said it was terrible and you should skip it when grinding the LT line, which then changed to "but it's kinda good" so I went and grinded it, because I wanted to try the tanks, mainly the Ru 251. It was in the AufPz's "goodbye time" which I didn't actually know. After researching the VK 28.01, the patch dropped, and suddenly I could research the SPIC which is just not a good tank (imo). Never got around to make an own opinion about the Auf Pz. It looks decent in the pre-release, however Germany already has a tier 8 premium LT, maybe other nations need one too, especially US.





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