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JaffaStar #1 Posted 02 December 2017 - 04:29 AM

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in this huge amount of battles i have not learned to stay in the back ... i always go in front and always die , because most of the team are red line camping ... or waitin for someone to pop up to shoot ... nobody , or very few ppl give a crap about tem battles :( 

Kartoshkaya #2 Posted 02 December 2017 - 04:56 AM

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Or learn to react to what your team is doing instead ?

JaffaStar #3 Posted 02 December 2017 - 05:39 AM

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perhaps you are right ....

tuxun #4 Posted 02 December 2017 - 07:39 AM

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View PostKartoshkaya, on 02 December 2017 - 04:56 AM, said:

Or learn to react to what your team is doing instead ?

 

sure: 14 tanks are camping red line in assault mode. lets do same than them!

Chopin #5 Posted 02 December 2017 - 09:41 AM

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View PostJaffaStar, on 02 December 2017 - 03:29 AM, said:

in this huge amount of battles i have not learned to stay in the back ... i always go in front and always die , because most of the team are red line camping ... or waitin for someone to pop up to shoot ... nobody , or very few ppl give a crap about tem battles :( 

 

1. I dont think the whole team is redline sniping in randoms, you are exaggerating here.

2. However, they do get quite slowly to the frontline at the start of the game. (dont know why,  maybe general incompetence)

3. My suggestion for you: play slow tanks mostly, superheavies and TDs, then you wont be the first to get there.



Chopin #6 Posted 02 December 2017 - 09:42 AM

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View PostJaffaStar, on 02 December 2017 - 03:29 AM, said:

 

 

double post.


Edited by Chopin, 02 December 2017 - 09:46 AM.


Chopin #7 Posted 02 December 2017 - 09:44 AM

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triple post

Edited by Chopin, 02 December 2017 - 09:45 AM.


UrQuan #8 Posted 02 December 2017 - 09:54 AM

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OP, I tend to suffer from this as well, I tend to play way to agressive. Hence, due to this, I focused my play around armored tanks, they're slower (helping you survive) & can take a beating.

They also really teach you never to go alone, which helps me staying put when people aren't moving with me.

 

Do note that attacking is not always the best teamplay. Depending on team deployment, defense can be the superior strategy. Check how the team deploys at start & how enemy team is deploying ( by checking what enemy tanks are spotted where) & make decisions based on that. No need to push when the enemy has you outnumbered on your flank, rather find a good defensive spot then & bring m down that way. 

If you outnumber them, it's not always smart to push against them however. Check if they are in a good defensive spot or not. No use pushing if it's a deathtrap, with heavy TD support in the back that can tear you apart in a jiffy.

 

In short; it can be that slow armored tanks can help you play better, by teaching the importance of team deployments & when it's good to be agressive or not. Slow Heavy armored tanks are no solo pwn machines after all, so any situation where you find yourself alone in one is generally one where you made a mistake. Learn from it & apply that knowledge in your next games.


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JaffaStar #9 Posted 02 December 2017 - 11:39 AM

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i manage to get in the first line with the tortoise ... :) i can not be slower then that ... and still half of the team is behind me ... most common the scout tanks :)

Bigtime_Alarm #10 Posted 02 December 2017 - 04:37 PM

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spotted = dead, at the front = spotted. Therefore hide at the back, let someone else be killed.

Bitter_Kipper #11 Posted 02 December 2017 - 04:47 PM

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View PostBigtime_Alarm, on 02 December 2017 - 03:37 PM, said:

spotted = dead, at the front = spotted. Therefore hide at the back, let someone else be killed.

 

​Tomato logic at its finest and sadly followed by soooooooooooooooooooooooo many.

Still Hate seeing A1 Prokorovka being successfully captured by E100s. Coz best place for their guns right? am I right? I am. I am right....... wibble



K_A #12 Posted 02 December 2017 - 04:59 PM

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View PostBigtime_Alarm, on 02 December 2017 - 03:37 PM, said:

spotted = dead, at the front = spotted. Therefore hide at the back, let someone else be killed.

 

I see your tactic has paid off hugely with you, being able to almost manage a 49% winrate following it. ;)

 

Now I have anything against average or below average players per se, but please for the love of God when someone wants genuine tips on how to become better, please just shut up and wait for someone who actually knows what they're doing to come to help. You too might learn a thing or a dozen from them.


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UrQuan #13 Posted 02 December 2017 - 05:20 PM

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View PostBigtime_Alarm, on 02 December 2017 - 04:37 PM, said:

spotted = dead, at the front = spotted. Therefore hide at the back, let someone else be killed.

 

Only if you're being stupid tbh. I fight a ton on the frontlines & I'm certainly not one to drop dead on the spot. But fighting on the frontline successfuly takes its own skill. Yes, you'll die often trying to figure things out. But as long as you learn from it, & implement that lesson in next frontline session, you'll improve. And then you land in the territory that goes *OMG How can anyone die so fast at the frontline?* and that's when you know you made it.

Or you can take the easy route & hide in the back. but then please do not complain when nobody is spotting targets for you. 

But I'll take the hard route, go to the frontline & go *Here I am! Come & get me!*

 

 



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View PostJaffaStar, on 02 December 2017 - 11:39 AM, said:

i manage to get in the first line with the tortoise ... :) i can not be slower then that ... and still half of the team is behind me ... most common the scout tanks :)

 

T95, managed to be in the first line with him

Bigtime_Alarm #15 Posted 02 December 2017 - 08:41 PM

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View PostK_A, on 02 December 2017 - 04:59 PM, said:

 

I see your tactic has paid off hugely with you, being able to almost manage a 49% winrate following it. ;)

 

Now I have anything against average or below average players per se, but please for the love of God when someone wants genuine tips on how to become better, please just shut up and wait for someone who actually knows what they're doing to come to help. You too might learn a thing or a dozen from them.

 

OK you won the forum, 

 

you are great I am rubbish



RamRaid90 #16 Posted 02 December 2017 - 08:59 PM

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View PostBigtime_Alarm, on 02 December 2017 - 07:41 PM, said:

 

OK you won the forum, 

 

you are great I am rubbish

 

Yes you are.

 

However, IMO  Mediums and Lights are the ONLY tanks which have any form of reliable carry potential in this game, and hiding in the maps corners isn't helping anyone to do that.



theSwedishTankDriver #17 Posted 02 December 2017 - 09:11 PM

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Playing aggressive works for me at least.

JaffaStar #18 Posted 02 December 2017 - 09:32 PM

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well , i have a lot to learn .. but the truth is ... that is noone around to teach ... :(

Bigtime_Alarm #19 Posted 02 December 2017 - 09:33 PM

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Is there anyone here who can feel good about themselves without belittling someone else?

 

Oh wait stupid question it is a WOT forum, of course not.



UrQuan #20 Posted 02 December 2017 - 09:56 PM

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View PostJaffaStar, on 02 December 2017 - 09:32 PM, said:

well , i have a lot to learn .. but the truth is ... that is noone around to teach ... :(

 

I usually learn alot by observing others. When you die early, it can pay off to follow others, see what they do & learn what works & doesn't work. reading some guides regarding crewskills & spottingsystem does wonders as well. A good crew can make an amazing difference (difference between a 50% ; 75% & 100% crew is big). Knowing how the spottingsystem works can also work great in avoiding getting seen too early.

You can also check the tank info subforums for specific tips regarding tanks. Some are great on hilly terrain, others are nice in city maps, some can brawl nice & others best keep their distance. You usually can find this info by checking the tank threads in the ingame tank info subforums. It's a great help knowing what to look out for to enhance your own tank capaicites.






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