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Tiger_Panzermeyer #1 Posted 02 December 2017 - 02:26 PM

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From Daily bounce:

''The community was very vocal about the changes to Object 263 branch, and Wargaming took some into consideration and has come up with a second proposal. It was agreed it was necessary to build gameplay continuity and the SU-122-54 didn’t fit the branch gameplay, meaning it will go into retirement''

The jpz e100 line features fast firing relatively mediocre alpha tds(jpz4 has 220 alpha,jpanther 320 while their russian counterparts have 390 and 750 respectively but they make up in rof),in contrast the jpz e100 has a huge alpha,basically 1 shot from this td shaves half or more hp of most tier x tanks but it has a low rof.



Balc0ra #2 Posted 02 December 2017 - 03:39 PM

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They have been wanting to fix the Jpz E100 for ages. But in terms of it's alpha, not removing the tank. Tho that was the old staff. The new staff might have a different idea for it. As line consistency is the new thing. And I get why they have done it on other lines, and their chain of thought. And why they want to move the T-10 out to a new line, as stands out to. But the Jpz E100? High alpha is the only thing. The transition between each tank on that line still works and prepares you for the next one IMO. Sure they have less alpha vs the Russians. But they are still more flexible due to it. It's fine as is.

Edited by Balc0ra, 02 December 2017 - 03:39 PM.


arthurwellsley #3 Posted 02 December 2017 - 03:50 PM

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full source = https://thedailyboun...ch-new-changes/

 

Most commentators still believe that dropping the Object 263 down to tier IX is the real error. That the Object 263 should be left as it is at tier IX. That the tiers VII, VIII, and IX need small buffs. That the proposed Object 268 IV is horrid and does not fit the line at all, and should be somewhere else.

 

So if WG are making a pig's ear of USSR td gameplay, what hope is there for the Jpz E100 line, given it's German.



fighting_falcon93 #4 Posted 02 December 2017 - 04:25 PM

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Yes ofc, that's the only thing missing, mess up the Jaegeroo aswell. Splendid!

 

 



leggasiini #5 Posted 02 December 2017 - 04:27 PM

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I dont really know, other than the gun it fits the line very well - slow, large boxy casemate TDs. And even the gun is not drastically different from the earlier tanks, just bigger and bit derpier.



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View Postleggasiini, on 02 December 2017 - 04:27 PM, said:

I dont really know, other than the gun it fits the line very well - slow, large boxy casemate TDs. And even the gun is not drastically different from the earlier tanks, just bigger and bit derpier.

 

So did the obj263...no tank is safe!

LeGod7 #7 Posted 02 December 2017 - 06:19 PM

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They have (correctly IMO) been looking to do something to the JpE100 for ages, IIRC on one of the Sandbox version it was changed to 850 alpha and then buffed in other areas.

 

A general move away from high alpha/one shot tanks that have extreme balancing is probably a good thing, though why they didn't do something with the 4005 is beyond me. 

 

263 as a tier 9 makes no sense, if everyone didn't want it moved from tier 10 and they admit this, why are they still going through with it. 



AvengerOrion #8 Posted 02 December 2017 - 06:19 PM

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So instead of fixing real problems, WG has decided that trashing up tech lines to distract people is a better time spent.

Does the dev team get paid in vodka or something?



Uebergewicht #9 Posted 02 December 2017 - 06:51 PM

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View Postleggasiini, on 02 December 2017 - 04:27 PM, said:

I dont really know, other than the gun it fits the line very well - slow, large boxy casemate TDs. And even the gun is not drastically different from the earlier tanks, just bigger and bit derpier.

 

None of the tanks in the line have been slow. They´re all quite nimble, have good camo, low alpha but high dpm, and decent gun handling. The things that aren´t as streamlined are the armor levels, which range from pretty decent to paper, and the fact that one of the tanks has a front mounted gun. What WG is currently planning eleminates the front mounted gun, but creates a line of fast firing low alpha TDs that lead to a slow firing, low dpm, derpy high alpha TD, which makes the line overall less consistent. A fast camo line that leads to a Russian Jagpanzer E100... oh, and they´re also nerfing gun handling across the entire line, because it´s not like people who want derpy TDs have another Russian line to choose from or anything.

Pair this with the fact that the 263 is a fan favorite and you have a recipe for disaster. They´re ruining a perfectly fine tier 10 - interesting, capable, not OP - and making the line less consistent in the process for god knows which reason. And when everybody and their mothers tell them to leave the 263 alone at least, they claim they "listen" and do everything but the thing that people actually asked for.


Edited by Uebergewicht, 02 December 2017 - 06:52 PM.


leggasiini #10 Posted 02 December 2017 - 06:56 PM

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View PostUebergewicht, on 02 December 2017 - 07:51 PM, said:

 

 

None of the tanks in the line have been slow. They´re all quite nimble, have good camo, low alpha but high dpm, and decent gun handling. The things that aren´t as streamlined are the armor levels, which range from pretty decent to paper, and the fact that one of the tanks has a front mounted gun. What WG is currently planning eleminates the front mounted gun, but creates a line of fast firing low alpha TDs that lead to a slow firing, low dpm, derpy high alpha TD, which makes the line overall less consistent. A fast camo line that leads to a Russian Jagpanzer E100... oh, and they´re also nerfing gun handling across the entire line, because it´s not like people who want derpy TDs have another Russian line to choose from or anything.

Pair this with the fact that the 263 is a fan favorite and you have a recipe for disaster. They´re ruining a perfectly fine tier 10 - interesting, capable, not OP - and making the line less consistent in the process for god knows which reason. And when everybody and their mothers tell them to leave the 263 alone at least, they claim they "listen" and do everything but the thing that people actually asked for.

 

I meant the JP E100, I wasnt obvious enough, sorry :<

Uebergewicht #11 Posted 02 December 2017 - 06:59 PM

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View Postleggasiini, on 02 December 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

 

I meant the JP E100, I wasnt obvious enough, sorry :<

 

Whoops. Maybe I should read a bit closer. Sorry, I´m still riled up about the utter nonsensical 263 changes^^

gunslingerXXX #12 Posted 02 December 2017 - 07:03 PM

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I hope not. I've been slowgrinding the line for about two years now (currently trying to get the jpzII top gun) and would really like to have the JPzE100 in a year or two :teethhappy:

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So you're saying... time to grind the Stage II and get Two Death Stars before they remove it? :trollface:

sir_wizington #14 Posted 03 December 2017 - 07:11 PM

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If they mess up my Jagdpanzer, especially nerfing the alpha I will get on a plane to Belarus and it will be like Rambo III all over again. :trollface:

 

If they have to do anything changing it to the STUG E100 could be cool, frontal gun, looks like a massive jagdpanther.

 

If you can play the Jagdpanzer its a really good tank, you just have to be professional at map placement, using your surroundings to hide weak points and angling.

 

 

 



ares354 #15 Posted 04 December 2017 - 06:57 PM

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They should change JP e100, yes.

Why ? Let me tell you.

Gun on Jpe100 feel like downgrade. Yes we get more pen and alpha but we lose a lot more. Acc, aim time, dpm, shell velocity ,reliability. JT gun feel just better.

If we bounce 299 AP, we wait more then 21 sec to shoot, with JT we have shell ready under 10 sec.

I personally would love to have better 12.8 gun, with 600 alpha dmg per shoot, 0.31 acc. good aim time, and a bit better dpm then JT. TD would be so much easier to balance that way.

And if we look on line, Jpe100 really dont make any sense with this gun. Most TD in this line have quite high alpha and  good dpm, JP is way different, very high alpha, and very low dpm, nothing like all  the rest of TD of this line.

With 263 line its different story. 263 is very good TD, a bit gun arc is needed. But tier 8 and 9 are bad, WG should buff them, not to add next generic 750 alpha.




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