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HassenderZerhacker #1 Posted 02 December 2017 - 06:43 PM

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so... there currently is this x2 crew experience on wins

on top I added +50% XP personal reserve

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+ 100% crew XP personal reserve

 

in 2 hours I managed 18 battles, 75% wins and the crew only went from 86% to 90% on their second skill... :-(

progress seems awfully slow.

 

I remember reading some time ago that premium crew training was "scaled" to tiers, i.e. a tier 6 premium would level a crew as quick as a tier 8 premium. Now I emit serious doubts about this.


Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 02 December 2017 - 06:45 PM.


etody77 #2 Posted 02 December 2017 - 07:01 PM

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for the second kill you need 600 000 exp

ederfe #3 Posted 02 December 2017 - 07:09 PM

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View Postetody77, on 02 December 2017 - 09:01 PM, said:

for the second kill you need 600 000 exp

 

Nope. For the second skill from 0-100% you need 420120 exp. Which is still a lot and the point you were making is still valid. OP you still need some 160k to get from 90-100%

Edited by ederfe, 02 December 2017 - 07:14 PM.


leggasiini #4 Posted 02 December 2017 - 07:27 PM

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tbh Type 5 Heavy is better crew trainer for itself than the HT No VI :trollface:

etody77 #5 Posted 02 December 2017 - 07:40 PM

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View Postederfe, on 02 December 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:

 

Nope. For the second skill from 0-100% you need 420120 exp. Which is still a lot and the point you were making is still valid. OP you still need some 160k to get from 90-100%

 

It's not too much compared with fifth skill :)

K_A #6 Posted 02 December 2017 - 07:43 PM

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For the second skill, 86%-90% is 45,047 XP, so you gained a good amount of XP for 18 battles, averaging over 2,000 crew XP per battle. To get the crew from 90% to 100% on their second skill will take a further 156,611 XP, so just keep grinding :)

 

For any and all crew XP calculations go here: http://www.planetwot.com/Crewxp/



Nishi_Kinuyo #7 Posted 02 December 2017 - 07:43 PM

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View Postleggasiini, on 02 December 2017 - 06:27 PM, said:

tbh Type 5 Heavy is better crew trainer for itself than the HT No VI :trollface:

Afaik, even the Type 91 Heavy is (tier for tier) better than the HT #6 at training crews. :P



Balc0ra #8 Posted 02 December 2017 - 09:21 PM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 02 December 2017 - 06:43 PM, said:

I remember reading some time ago that premium crew training was "scaled" to tiers, i.e. a tier 6 premium would level a crew as quick as a tier 8 premium. Now I emit serious doubts about this.

 

It's the second skill... It won't go fast regardless of tier. And I suspect you are thinking of the free xp bonus. As that's based on tier. 80% on tier II, 10% on tier 8 iirc. As in the extra xp to convert if you have accelerated crew xp off. As indicated by the "bonus for premium tank" in the XP calculations.

 

Crew xp is still 1.5x regardless. Tho you could say the Churchill III is the Exception. As his base XP is not decided by a factor of 1 like all other tanks. So he might pull more xp out for less.



Sunshinetrooper #9 Posted 02 December 2017 - 09:32 PM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 02 December 2017 - 05:43 PM, said:

so... there currently is this x2 crew experience on wins

on top I added +50% XP personal reserve

and

+ 100% crew XP personal reserve

 

in 2 hours I managed 18 battles, 75% wins and the crew only went from 86% to 90% on their second skill... :-(

progress seems awfully slow.

 

I remember reading some time ago that premium crew training was "scaled" to tiers, i.e. a tier 6 premium would level a crew as quick as a tier 8 premium. Now I emit serious doubts about this.

 

On your first skill, according to (http://www.planetwot.com/Crewxp/) you need 11,262 to get from 86-90%. From 90-100% you need 39k. 

Strappster #10 Posted 02 December 2017 - 10:02 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 02 December 2017 - 08:21 PM, said:

... And I suspect you are thinking of the free xp bonus. As that's based on tier. 80% on tier II, 10% on tier 8 iirc. As in the extra xp to convert if you have accelerated crew xp off. As indicated by the "bonus for premium tank" in the XP calculations.

 

Crew xp is still 1.5x regardless. Tho you could say the Churchill III is the Exception. As his base XP is not decided by a factor of 1 like all other tanks. So he might pull more xp out for less.

 

Free xp is always 5% of the base xp, the bonus xp for running a premium tank is scaled by tier. If you look at the detailed results of a battle in a premium tank, there's the base xp and a couple of lines lower there's "Bonus for Premium Vehicle". Sample below from this replay in my Rudy. That's from wotreplays because I'm not in game at the moment but the details are the same.

 

 

Crew xp is 1.5x total xp so assuming a battle gives you exactly 1000 base xp, a lower tier premium will give you more crew xp by virtue of it having a higher premium modifier. But you'll have to work harder to get the higher base value in the lower tier tank, so it probably evens itself out.


Edited by Strappster, 02 December 2017 - 10:09 PM.


Balc0ra #11 Posted 02 December 2017 - 11:35 PM

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View PostStrappster, on 02 December 2017 - 10:02 PM, said:

Crew xp is 1.5x total xp so assuming a battle gives you exactly 1000 base xp, a lower tier premium will give you more crew xp by virtue of it having a higher premium modifier. But you'll have to work harder to get the higher base value in the lower tier tank, so it probably evens itself out.

 

I actually find it easier to get 800 to 1000 xp more often in some low tiers, then in mid or higher tiers of the same class and nation when doing crew training. Like the Russian TD's for instance. After a daily run in all of them. I usually go to the SU-85I to keep playing, vs higher up. While on the US prem meds, It's easier higher up, vs lower down in the Ram II and M4 Improved etc.

TankSchmidt #12 Posted 03 December 2017 - 12:53 AM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 02 December 2017 - 06:43 PM, said:

so... there currently is this x2 crew experience on wins

on top I added +50% XP personal reserve

and

+ 100% crew XP personal reserve

 

in 2 hours I managed 18 battles, 75% wins and the crew only went from 86% to 90% on their second skill... :-(

progress seems awfully slow.

 

I remember reading some time ago that premium crew training was "scaled" to tiers, i.e. a tier 6 premium would level a crew as quick as a tier 8 premium. Now I emit serious doubts about this.

 

There are several things about premiun/award tanks:

- they provide a "bonus XP" scaling with their tier as Strappster has explained. For tier VI that is an additional 30% of the base XP (+ courageous resistance if applicable).

- they provide a *1,5 crew XP bonus, no matter the tier. It is the same for a tier II tank as for a tier X tank.

 

As for crew XP itself, it does "scale" as well:

- the first skill (NOT major qualification) requires ~210k crew XP to complete from 0% to 100%. From there on, each further skill will require twice as much crew XP as the previous one. That is a massive growth in required crew XP. And also the reason why having a crew with more than 4 skills is rather rare.

- within a skill, later %ages will require way more crew XP to complete. E.g. from 1% to 2% on the first skill only 105 crew XP is required, from 50% to 51% it is already 1.000 crew XP and from 99% to 100% it is 9.550 crew XP.

 

As pointed out by K_A, going from 86% to 90% on the second skill requires 45.047 crew XP. Is it realistic that you gathered that much during your session? Example calculation:

 

600 * 0,75 + 200 * 0,25 = 500 avg base XP (75% WR as claimed by you; each win is 600 base XP, each loss is 200 base XP)
500 + 150 (500 * 0,3) = 650 (30% base XP bonus, because tier VI prem vehicle; counts for wins and losses)
650 + 250 (500 * 0,5) = 900 --> total tank XP per battle (50% tank XP personal reserve; also related to the base XP of 500; counts for wins and losses)

 

900 + 500 = 1.400 (100% crew XP personal reserve; also related to the base XP of 500; counts for wins and losses)
1.400 + 375 = 1.775 (75% crew XP bonus from the event; also related to the base XP of 500; as it is only awared on wins and your WR was 75%)
1.775 * 1,5 = 2.662,5 --> crew XP per battle (*1,5 crew XP modifier because prem vehicle)

 

2.662,5 * 18 = 47.925 --> total crew XP over the course of your session

 

This is without prem account and assuming 600 base XP on a win and 200 base XP on a loss. No idea how realistic that is, but it could very well lead to this amount of crew XP, boosting you from 86% to 90% on the second skill - especially considering that it takes another 12k crew XP to go from 90% to 91% and we do not know how far you have progressed between %ages. Not factored in this calculation are two important aspects because you did not mention them: accelerated crew training and prem account.

 

tl;dr & conclusion

It is possible and kind of realistic, but to me on the low end of what I would expect as crew XP output for the given very favourable circumstances - although we do not know about prem account and/or accelerated crew training.


Edited by TankSchmidt, 03 December 2017 - 12:55 AM.


HassenderZerhacker #13 Posted 03 December 2017 - 09:40 AM

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thanks for all the replies, including the last, almost encyclopedic one :)

 

I was refering to this thread:

http://forum.worldof..._st__20#topmost

and especially this post:

http://forum.worldof...8#entry14702338

 

I am working on my 4th skill on the T25 Pilot crew, and I had the feeling they learned their second skill quicker than my SP Nr. VI folks who inspite of all bonuses seem to take forever.

I also gotta say that the SP Nr. VI is not a good tank and it tests my patience... oh the grind :-/



HassenderZerhacker #14 Posted 03 December 2017 - 11:57 AM

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(spongebob off-voice) 2 hours later.... 94%

 



Comrade_Renamon #15 Posted 03 December 2017 - 01:33 PM

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It is not massively faster, as pointed out before, at 476 battles (If I recall I started with a 75% crew) I managed to get 2 crew skills to 100% and the third is on 77% without Premium/Reserves (there might be an odd 1-2 days prem that we had gotten along the way). That is with the average 620 exp.

 

Since it is kind of tied to your performance if you don't do that well you will have it go slower (as I see your pilot has 545 while your HT no VI is 460 average), maybe you still need to get used to how the tank plays. It is still average and it took me quite some time to get used to it as well.

 






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