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dimethylcadmium #1 Posted 03 December 2017 - 07:40 PM

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What tanks do in your opinion, ruin balance in their respective tiers? From I to X. What tanks would you like to see get buffed?

 

I'll start with tier 6. Personally, i don't currently see any reason to play anything other than Type 64, VK 30.01 P, T-34-85M and Cromwell at Tier 6. Those tanks are so flexible if you run into them with any other tank you're just gonna get shat on, providing you're not fighting bots 

 

I'd like to see Type 58, ARL 44 and VK 36.01 H get buffed. 


Edited by dimethylcadmium, 03 December 2017 - 07:41 PM.


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let's see, at tier VI? well, the O-I is not particularly balanced, and has on/off armor which is just stupid. Indeed the Type 64. The rest I can't really agree with. The T-34-85M is good, and yes it outclasses the T-34-85. (WG buff the reload on the normal tank to be the same/better as on the M and it is fine) but it is not OP. The Cromwell has pretty bad gunhandeling when not stationary, and altough it is a better light then most if not all of them this is more due to lights being cr*p in general rather then the Crom being OP. And VK 30.01P OP? pls explain this, due to 220 alpha? Besides that, please add every arty ever to the list (especially the LeFH). Tanks on other tiers that are OP, the T67, the E25, SU-122-44, all the second gen premiums at tier VIII, (excluding the STG Guard, it is fairly balanced, and the T92), the T71 DA is pretty darn close to OP. 

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View Postcommer, on 03 December 2017 - 10:37 PM, said:

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You might want to change that font color, unless you want to get artied by the mods, my friend...

ExclamationMark #5 Posted 03 December 2017 - 09:46 PM

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who cares about low tiers? ^^

CmdRatScabies #6 Posted 03 December 2017 - 09:53 PM

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View PostExclamationMark, on 03 December 2017 - 09:46 PM, said:

who cares about low tiers? ^^

 

WG should if it puts new players off playing.

hson_hson #7 Posted 03 December 2017 - 10:03 PM

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View PostExclamationMark, on 03 December 2017 - 09:46 PM, said:

who cares about low tiers? ^^

 

Well, for the game to keep thriving you need to keep getting new players to make up for those who leave (which people do in all games, people get bored, find something new, die, get a new job....)

And for fresh players there are plenty of tanks which are pretty broken which makes fresh players seriously question why they should even try this game for more than 50-100 battles.

I have tried to introduce some friends and all of them got bored pretty quickly by getting overrun by Pz II C or Hetzers, M4 and Pz IV H with derp guns, none of them bothered getting past tier 4



dimethylcadmium #8 Posted 03 December 2017 - 11:09 PM

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View PostExclamationMark, on 03 December 2017 - 09:46 PM, said:

who cares about low tiers? ^^

 

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 What tanks do in your opinion, ruin balance in their respective tiers? From I to X. What tanks would you like to see get buffed?

 

Who said you have to name low tier tanks?



japtank #9 Posted 03 December 2017 - 11:13 PM

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View PostExclamationMark, on 03 December 2017 - 09:46 PM, said:

who cares about low tiers? ^^

 

Low tiers play quite differently, it's cool playing all tiers.

High tiers are much more boring IMO, so there's no reason why WG shouldn't balance the whole game.



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Tanks ruining balance means that team has considerable advantage if it has these particular tanks as top tier and enemy team doesn't? 

 

Lets list: 

 

T1 : probably none 

T2:  Tetrarch.

T3: PzIIJ, T-127, BT-7 arty. 

T4: Matilda, Hetzer, Luchs.   

T5: leFH, T67 , PzT25.

T6: O-I, T-34/85M. 

T7: O-Ni, E25.

T8: O-Ho, Liberte, Object252.

T9: Type 4, ST-1.

T10: Type 5.


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TheComfyChair #11 Posted 04 December 2017 - 01:52 AM

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I can't remember which tanks are auto loaders as there seems to be lots of them now.....and I lost my train of thought

ZlatanArKung #12 Posted 04 December 2017 - 07:31 AM

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Arty and ALL tanks with overbuffed armour.
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Japanese heavies, T95, T28, Defender, VK 100P etc.

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All Arty.

 

FV4005 and Deathstar. Type 4&5. Obj. 907.



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I really don't care about low tiers so I'll start from tier 5

T5: Lefefe (prem french arty)

T6: Type 64 (I have it and love it, it has better view range than normal tier 7 LTs)

T7: E25

T8: Defender, Liberte, VK100.01

T9: Type 4 Heavy with P2W ammo

T10: Type 5 Heavy with P2W ammo, Obj 907



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View PostExclamationMark, on 03 December 2017 - 09:46 PM, said:

who cares about low tiers? ^^

 

Most players never put a single dime into this game, and they can actually afford to play lower tiers. Tier 6 is generally the most played tier in this game.

 



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Defender is pretty broken at tier 8, 9 and 10

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View Postdimethylcadmium, on 03 December 2017 - 06:40 PM, said:

 

I'd like to see Type 58, ARL 44 and VK 36.01 H get buffed. 

 

For my money the Type 58 and the VK 36.01H are already two of the better tanks, but it's a depressing statement on the game that 'balance' is only seen from the top down and ignoring all the totally crap tanks that also break the balance.

 

For example, you are waiting for the clock to tick down and you peruse an average tier IV team lineup, so ask yourself, which tank will be the first to die within seconds? Now if you didn't answer 'T-28' you haven't played tier IV. Which is the tank that makes your heart sink and ruins your team if it shows up in a tier VI battle? Yes of course, that was an easy one, the Churchill GC.

 

So come on, rather than the self serving concern about 'balance' just because you fancy going up that particular tech tree, or any other way of justifying buffs to good tanks, it's about time more hot air was expended on ideas for improving the rubbish tanks. But of course that isn't a sexy discussion, anybody suggesting a proper buff to the Type 95 will be told 'just don't play it', 'free XP it', etc. And advice like that combined with rubbish tanks is what breaks the balance of the game in the longer term.


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View Post250swb, on 04 December 2017 - 11:21 AM, said:

 

For my money the Type 58 and the VK 36.01H are already two of the better tanks, but it's a depressing statement on the game that 'balance' is only seen from the top down and ignoring all the totally crap tanks that also break the balance.

 

For example, you are waiting for the clock to tick down and you peruse an average tier IV team lineup, so ask yourself, which tank will be the first to die within seconds? Now if you didn't answer 'T-28' you haven't played tier IV. Which is the tank that makes your heart sink and ruins your team if it shows up in a tier VI battle? Yes of course, that was an easy one, the Churchill GC.

 

So come on, rather than the self serving concern about 'balance' just because you fancy going up that particular tech tree, or any other way of justifying buffs to good tanks, it's about time more hot air was expended on ideas for improving the rubbish tanks. But of course that isn't a sexy discussion, anybody suggesting a proper buff to the Type 95 will be told 'just don't play it', 'free XP it', etc. And advice like that combined with rubbish tanks is what breaks the balance of the game in the longer term.

Imho the t-28 is not on the "crap tier 4 vehicles" list. Or at least it's not the fault of the tank. Otherwise I agree.



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View Postcommer, on 03 December 2017 - 09:37 PM, said:

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Thank you. Beat me to it.

Dragonlordcv #20 Posted 04 December 2017 - 10:00 AM

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You all do know that premiums will never be nerfed... Just to remind....




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