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BushMasterFlash #1 Posted 03 December 2017 - 07:46 PM

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Big problem.

I cannot complete the light tank mission 2 for the T55A  to spot 6 tanks.

The reason?  The meds are faster higher tier and spot them first. ( I do not have a tier 10 light yet)

Anybody else having this problem?

 

What can you possibly do?

Every single game I am bottom tier, every single game the meds are faster and do all the spotting.


Edited by BushMasterFlash, 03 December 2017 - 07:46 PM.


Balc0ra #2 Posted 03 December 2017 - 07:50 PM

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Then don't go where the meds go. There is always a lane you can go. Like on highway when the meds go the 1 line or the A line. Don't follow them, go to the bush by the water tower for instance @E4. It's risky, but if it works, you will spot anything going 1E before they do along with any TD in base that pushes to far to get view range on the 1 line or A line. Or the safer E3 bush line from the south, or D4 bush by the lake from the north. Just as an example. As the Water tower bush is how I did my LT-2 for the Obj.

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spuriousmonkey #3 Posted 03 December 2017 - 07:54 PM

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You just need to persist.

 

you will end up with stupid meds and stupid enemies at one point.



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View PostBushMasterFlash, on 03 December 2017 - 07:46 PM, said:

Big problem.

I cannot complete the light tank mission 2 for the T55A  to spot 6 tanks.

The reason?  The meds are faster higher tier and spot them first. ( I do not have a tier 10 light yet)

Anybody else having this problem?

 

What can you possibly do?

Every single game I am bottom tier, every single game the meds are faster and do all the spotting.

 

Nope. I did it bottom tier in the 13 57 or bc12t. Very easy mission. Don't try to do those missions by being first to med spots. Be in light spots. If you don't get that then you don't deserve a reward that's at least partially based on skill

RamRaid90 #5 Posted 03 December 2017 - 08:02 PM

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Try doing the LT-15 in the current meta. 7k damage in the most UP tanks in the game...That's always fun.

Spioszeqq #6 Posted 03 December 2017 - 08:06 PM

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Buy 6 tier(type 64 the best) and wait for widepark map. If u r fast enough u will spot way more tanks than you need.

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View PostRamRaid90, on 03 December 2017 - 08:02 PM, said:

Try doing the LT-15 in the current meta. 7k damage in the most UP tanks in the game...That's always fun.

 

13 105 or t100lt. Have assault enabled. Should be done in 1-2h. 

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View Postcommer, on 03 December 2017 - 08:10 PM, said:

 

13 105 or t100lt. Have assault enabled. Should be done in 1-2h. 

 

More or less that. Considering how stupid some are on sand river assault. LT-15 won't take long.

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View Postcommer, on 03 December 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

 

13 105 or t100lt. Have assault enabled. Should be done in 1-2h. 

 

Wz-132a is my highest tier light, figured I can do it fairly easy with the 132-1.

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I cannotdoLT-15 for T55-A. did 6 k assisted damage with t28 HTC, but wit lights...

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View PostBushMasterFlash, on 03 December 2017 - 07:46 PM, said:

Big problem.

I cannot complete the light tank mission 2 for the T55A  to spot 6 tanks.

The reason?  The meds are faster higher tier and spot them first. ( I do not have a tier 10 light yet)

Anybody else having this problem?

 

What can you possibly do?

Every single game I am bottom tier, every single game the meds are faster and do all the spotting.

 

You can do it  on almost all the maps, some city maps included.  This is one of those active spotting missions, not where you stay in a bush half a game.  Just make a quick spotting run at the start of the game, light up 6 tanks and then go back to safety and try to survive for the secondary,

spuriousmonkey #12 Posted 03 December 2017 - 08:34 PM

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I just did 9 spots.

 

You just need to take a bit of risk.

 

In lower tier lights it is easier than in higher tier lights.

 

 

http://wotreplays.eu...ey-amx_13_57_gf

Edit: i was eating a bowl of cornflakes at the same time. In case you wonder why my play is so flaky.


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play lower tiers...

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View PostBalc0ra, on 03 December 2017 - 08:15 PM, said:

 

More or less that. Considering how stupid some are on sand river assault. LT-15 won't take long.

 

Yeah just hope you don't end up on the stupid team...i can sit all day at the front line spotting the enemy with the entire team sitting on either a hill to the north or south outside render range.



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View PostRamRaid90, on 03 December 2017 - 08:19 PM, said:

 

Wz-132a is my highest tier light, figured I can do it fairly easy with the 132-1.

 

Well the 132-1 is a t10 light so you get higher hp pool so even in a tank that's crap(the Chinease tank is crap) you should be easily able to it with the right map. Redshire assault works great for me for big dmg games. 

 

 

View Postetody77, on 03 December 2017 - 08:22 PM, said:

I cannotdoLT-15 for T55-A. did 6 k assisted damage with t28 HTC, but wit lights...

 

 

Then you aren't playing lights right or you don't have high tier lights. I just 3 marked my type64 and I had a couple of 4k spot games in a row and that's a t6 tank. Higher tiers with bigger pools should easily pull 8-10k in same scenarios.

 

View PostEnforcer1975, on 03 December 2017 - 08:41 PM, said:

 

Yeah just hope you don't end up on the stupid team...i can sit all day at the front line spotting the enemy with the entire team sitting on either a hill to the north or south outside render range.

 

If you are spotting tanks that are outside of your team render range then it's your mistake too.
 

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View Postcommer, on 03 December 2017 - 07:53 PM, said:

 

Well the 132-1 is a t10 light so you get higher hp pool so even in a tank that's crap(the Chinease tank is crap) you should be easily able to it with the right map. Redshire assault works great for me for big dmg games. 

 

 

 

Thats where we have differing opinions, IMO the tier X chinese is the only LT worth having. Good balance of camo, armour, speed and half decent firepower.

 

I would personally order them:

  • Wz-132-1 (Best pen, best armour, most usable tank of a poor bunch)
  • Amx 13 105 (BC 25t does everything better but still an OK tank for those who like fast autoloaders)
  • T100 LT (low profile the only good point, horrible pen horrible DPM, horrible alpha can't even trade shots with other lights)
  • Sheridan (massive sillouette, no armour, bad pen)
  • RHM PzrWgn (awful tank all round)

Edited by RamRaid90, 03 December 2017 - 09:31 PM.


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View PostRamRaid90, on 03 December 2017 - 09:08 PM, said:

 

Thats where we have differing opinions, IMO the tier X chinese is the only LT worth having. Good balance of camo, armour, speed and half decent firepower.

 

I would personally order them:

  • Wz-132-1 (Best pen, best armour, most usable tank of a poor bunch)
  • Amx 13 105 (BC 25t does everything better but still an OK tank for those who like fast autoloaders)
  • T100 LT (low profile the only good point, horrible pen horrible DPM, horrible alpha can't even trade shots with other lights)
  • Sheridan (massive sillouette, no armour, bad pen, derpy gun handling, good DPM but counts for nothing when you can't hit a barn door and have terrible pen)
  • RHM PzrWgn (awful tank all round)

 

There are 2 errors in your post. 1st - you judge those tanks pre buffs 2nd - you judge them on firepower and armor only. T100lt has best in game camo, amazing mobility and great soft stats on the gun

 

https://tanks.gg/com...sheridan_000000

 

But lets do a comparison as shitty mediums alone first:

 

The guns:

  • Wz132-1 has better DPM only from 13 105 and RHM and that's by marginal numbers. Basically it's tied for worst DPM in tier next to 13 105 an RHM but 13 105 is an autoloader so it edges it out here
  • Wz132-1 has best penetration but only 4mm better than RHM and 12mm more than worst in class t100lt. Not a large margin
  • Shell velocity is same for all tanks except for 13 105 which is worst in class
  • Wz132-1 has 3rd (best/worst) bloom in class. This means only the RHM and AMX 13 105 get a worse handling gun. The thing is accuracy is a function of final acc, bloom and aim time so unless firing 100% on the move the difference between the RHM and Wz132-1 is smaller than it seems on paper. 13 105 is the worst but then again it's an autoloader
  • Wz132-1 is tied for worst depression in tier with the t100lt but it's much taller. 

 

As you see wz132-1 either has no advantage or it's advantages are negliable. When it had 390 alpha at least it had the alpha advantage? Now it's gun is as derpy as the 13 105 without having the autoloader while having basically the same dpm and alpha. The only advantage is the faster shell. The 13 105 has an autoloader though and it performs better than wz132-1 thanks to it as evidenced by higher 3 mark requirements so the only tank that is worse than the WZ132-1 is the RHM. Basically the WZ132-1 is a shitty 121B when the Sheridan and RHM are both a shitty leopard (With the sheridan being better since the soft stats are ok)

 

Now lets get to scouting abilities since as a medium I have shown the WZ132-1 is not as good as it seemed before patch:

  • Wz132-1 has worst hp/t in class. Outside of it only the 105 is below 40 but it still has extra 1.5hp/t.
  • Wz132-1 is tied for worst top speed in class with the sheridan at 65kph (small difference but if you want to contest key spots it's important)
  • Wz132-1 has 3rd best/worst VR but at only 10m more than tanks with much better camo it is a bit screwed as it won't outspot them
  • CAMO - WZ132-1 camowise is closer to RHM and Sheridan than 13 105 an t100lt. (Base 16 for wz, 15.7 for rhm, 14.5 for sheridan while 18.2 for 13 105 and 19.8 for t100lt BASE). This means it gets outspotted by all lights since tanks with similar camo have much more VR and tanks with 10m vr have much more camo. Effectively it's probably the worst spotter out of t10 lights. This is a problem when it's comparable/not the best in dealing damage.

 



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View Postcommer, on 03 December 2017 - 08:33 PM, said:

 

There are 2 errors in your post. 1st - you judge those tanks pre buffs 2nd - you judge them on firepower and armor only. T100lt has best in game camo, amazing mobility and great soft stats on the gun

 

https://tanks.gg/com...sheridan_000000

 

But lets do a comparison as shitty mediums alone first:

 

The guns:

  • Wz132-1 has better DPM only from 13 105 and RHM and that's by marginal numbers. Basically it's tied for worst DPM in tier next to 13 105 an RHM but 13 105 is an autoloader so it edges it out here
  • Wz132-1 has best penetration but only 4mm better than RHM and 12mm more than worst in class t100lt. Not a large margin
  • Shell velocity is same for all tanks except for 13 105 which is worst in class
  • Wz132-1 has 3rd (best/worst) bloom in class. This means only the RHM and AMX 13 105 get a worse handling gun. The thing is accuracy is a function of final acc, bloom and aim time so unless firing 100% on the move the difference between the RHM and Wz132-1 is smaller than it seems on paper. 13 105 is the worst but then again it's an autoloader
  • Wz132-1 is tied for worst depression in tier with the t100lt but it's much taller. 

 

As you see wz132-1 either has no advantage or it's advantages are negliable. When it had 390 alpha at least it had the alpha advantage? Now it's gun is as derpy as the 13 105 without having the autoloader while having basically the same dpm and alpha. The only advantage is the faster shell. The 13 105 has an autoloader though and it performs better than wz132-1 thanks to it as evidenced by higher 3 mark requirements so the only tank that is worse than the WZ132-1 is the RHM. Basically the WZ132-1 is a shitty 121B when the Sheridan and RHM are both a shitty leopard (With the sheridan being better since the soft stats are ok)

 

Now lets get to scouting abilities since as a medium I have shown the WZ132-1 is not as good as it seemed before patch:

  • Wz132-1 has worst hp/t in class. Outside of it only the 105 is below 40 but it still has extra 1.5hp/t.
  • Wz132-1 is tied for worst top speed in class with the sheridan at 65kph (small difference but if you want to contest key spots it's important)
  • Wz132-1 has 3rd best/worst VR but at only 10m more than tanks with much better camo it is a bit screwed as it won't outspot them
  • CAMO - WZ132-1 camowise is closer to RHM and Sheridan than 13 105 an t100lt. (Base 16 for wz, 15.7 for rhm, 14.5 for sheridan while 18.2 for 13 105 and 19.8 for t100lt BASE). This means it gets outspotted by all lights since tanks with similar camo have much more VR and tanks with 10m vr have much more camo. Effectively it's probably the worst spotter out of t10 lights. This is a problem when it's comparable/not the best in dealing damage.

 

 

I suppose it's as a matter of opinion. Chinese lights I seem to play rather well, and enjoy playing them. So maybe i'm biased in that respect.

 

The Wz-132-1 does have 390 alpha btw.



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View PostRamRaid90, on 03 December 2017 - 09:40 PM, said:

 

I suppose it's as a matter of opinion. Chinese lights I seem to play rather well, and enjoy playing them. So maybe i'm biased in that respect.

 

The Wz-132-1 does have 390 alpha btw.

 

I didn't claim it doesn't have 390 alpha. I simply said it no longer has an alpha advantage since before light buffs no other light had 390. 

 

As for China lights - the problem is bad accuracy, bad bloom, meh speed and meh camo. They aren't horrible (FOR LIGHTS) at anything but they are mediocre everywhere and since lights are worse than same tier tanks at most things (with a few exceptions) it's a sub par tank. I have a 5 skill China LT crew an I feel no need to grind my china lights to 10 after trying it on test. 


I will get the t100lt because if you are in a dense bush 520 VR won't spot you till they get next to proxy spot range of you. That's how good the camo is. 



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View Postcommer, on 03 December 2017 - 08:53 PM, said:

 

Well the 132-1 is a t10 light so you get higher hp pool so even in a tank that's crap(the Chinease tank is crap) you should be easily able to it with the right map. Redshire assault works great for me for big dmg games. 

 

 

 

 

Then you aren't playing lights right or you don't have high tier lights. I just 3 marked my type64 and I had a couple of 4k spot games in a row and that's a t6 tank. Higher tiers with bigger pools should easily pull 8-10k in same scenarios.

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