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Unangwata #1 Posted 04 December 2017 - 01:08 AM

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So I can afford only one. Either IS-3 or Tiger II.

Looking at stats IS-3 looks more favorable, however the pain is terrible accuracy, propably long range shooting will miss stationary target 50% of the time, thank you.

Thats why I am not sure if to take it, or just get Tiger II instead.

 

Also question is how much Tiger II ammo costs (best gun) ? IS ammo costs like 1k per shot.

 

One more question, why there is no option to retrain crew for IS-3 ? I can only find IS-3a.


Edited by Unangwata, 04 December 2017 - 01:09 AM.


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Tiger II. 

 

Tiger 2 has 

-Better hull armour (And it can actually angle without making it worse

-Better gun

-Worse turret armour

-Worse Mobility

 

IS-3 has 

Bad hull armour

Worse gun

Decent mobility for a heavy tank, Yet main reason to go for a heavy is the durability and how well it can brawl, Tiger 2 is better at brawling.

Great turret, IS-3 can go Hull down and bounce loads, but is trash when it cant go hull down, which is often due to the bad gun depression


Edited by xx984, 04 December 2017 - 01:11 AM.


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IS3 is considered to be the best standard t8 heavy, and tiger 2 is one of the worst, so...

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Tiger II is a useless piece of garbage. IS3 is at least functional

Unangwata #5 Posted 04 December 2017 - 01:20 AM

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View PostMetaCube63, on 04 December 2017 - 01:12 AM, said:

IS3 is considered to be the best standard t8 heavy, and tiger 2 is one of the worst, so...

 

View Postmagkiln, on 04 December 2017 - 01:16 AM, said:

Tiger II is a useless piece of garbage. IS3 is at least functional

 

Yeah, thats opinion. But i'm more interested in facts. I don't see why Tiger II is garbage once equipped 300+ damage gun. Much better accuracy and aim speed than IS-3 , which often is crucial.

I noticed it has worse mobility and turret armor, though. But why is that bad ?



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View Postxx984, on 04 December 2017 - 01:11 AM, said:

Tiger II.

 

Tiger 2 has

-Better hull armour (And it can actually angle without making it worse

-Better gun

-Worse turret armour

-Worse Mobility

 

IS-3 has

Bad hull armour

Worse gun

Decent mobility for a heavy tank, Yet main reason to go for a heavy is the durability and how well it can brawl, Tiger 2 is better at brawling.

Great turret, IS-3 can go Hull down and bounce loads, but is trash when it cant go hull down, which is often due to the bad gun depression

 

Tiger 2 better for brawling?

 

You for real?



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View PostNazgarth, on 04 December 2017 - 12:20 AM, said:

 

Tiger 2 better for brawling?

 

You for real?

 

Yes, Seeing as IS-3 has a pike nose and is a much smaller profile, alot of other tier 8 heavy tanks will be shooting either down on its upper front hull or at an angle making the hull armour basically paper, where as the Tiger 2 can actually angle and side scrape effectively 

TrewSx #8 Posted 04 December 2017 - 01:41 AM

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IS-3 has a magical side armour and can/will bounce tier X's, while Tiger II on the other hand will not. Soviet tanks are in general more forgiving, German tanks is about knowing what can you do and how to position your self. 

 

You will more likely succeed in IS-3 then in Tiger II, no offence here. 

 

Over all, for you would be better choice IS-3, but I would pick my Tiger II any day over IS-3. If you are still not sure, flip a coin. 


Edited by TrewSx, 04 December 2017 - 01:42 AM.


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View PostUnangwata, on 04 December 2017 - 12:08 AM, said:

So I can afford only one. Either IS-3 or Tiger II.

 

One more question, why there is no option to retrain crew for IS-3 ? I can only find IS-3a.

 

Have you already unlocked IS-3 in the tech tree? Normally you can retrain crews to Premium tanks _and_ any tanks that you have unlocked.

 

As for your main question, it's been a while since I played either extensively, and back then the IS-3 was considered greatly superior. But many game patches and rebalances have happened since then. But basically I second the main tone here: IS-3 is more forgiving, you can't do much wrong with it. But depending on your preferred playstyle, Tiger II may or may not be the better tank for you.



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View PostTrewSx, on 04 December 2017 - 01:41 AM, said:

IS-3 has a magical side armour and can/will bounce tier X's, while Tiger II on the other hand will not. Soviet tanks are in general more forgiving, German tanks is about knowing what can you do and how to position your self. 

 

You will more likely succeed in IS-3 then in Tiger II, no offence here. 

 

Over all, for you would be better choice IS-3, but I would pick my Tiger II any day over IS-3. If you are still not sure, flip a coin. 

 

Muhaha.. you prefer Tiger II and you reccomend IS-3 as if people are not skilled enough like you are. That kind of brain damage must come from 50k battles I assume ? No offense here.

Edited by Unangwata, 04 December 2017 - 01:54 AM.


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Tiger 2 has :
-around 150 more dpm
-better accuracy
-7 more pen (not sure about that one)

IS3 has :
-better turret
-70 more alpha
-better mobility
-has stupid reverse sidescrapping potential

Choice is kinda easy tbh.

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If you like to brawl - IS3

If you like second-line sniping - Tiger 2



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What's the point of playing a tiger 2 if you're sniping with it ?

callum347 #14 Posted 04 December 2017 - 02:11 AM

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If Tiger II ever gets buffed, go for it, for now, I'd say IS-3

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View PostUnangwata, on 04 December 2017 - 12:52 AM, said:

 

Muhaha.. you prefer Tiger II and you reccomend IS-3 as if people are not skilled enough like you are. That kind of brain damage must come from 50k battles I assume ? No offense here.

 

That is exactly what he is saying. And while he was being respectful about it, you were not, even though he may just be right. As someone with only the brain damage of 22k battles, I can say that I would agree though. A Tiger 2 is a very difficult tank to play, since it will get you killed if you make a bad decision.

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IS-3, and churchill III to train crew

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Bush did 9/11. 

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get the IS-3.

Tiger II is a support tank.

It can't brawl well, and the ammo for the top gun is way too expensive. And the gun is 10.5 mm caliber which cannot overmatch a lot of other tanks' roof armors. But the Tiger II's own turret roof armor is only 40mm, so all the russian 122mm will overmatch !!!

When you will be hull down with an IS-3, you will have much less to worry about than with a Tiger II. Same tier heavies lolpen the Tiger II through the turret front. As the Tiger II is also slow to move, i.e. much inertia, you will not be able to shoot and get into safety fast enough. And as it's big and slow, arty loves you.

Tiger II is a joke, just a grind to get to the E75 which is a decent tank.


Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 04 December 2017 - 08:51 AM.


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is3 no doubts here. It is universal tank you can brawl with it you can support you can even snipe when it is needed in it. While Tiger2 might look decent on paper but in battle it is one of worst t8 heavies atm.. sadly..  if you dont care about WR or like/have enough patient to camp in second line you can try tiger but honestly i think you would regret. Sadly but now tigers are just free hp nothing more:( KT like other this line tanks had their glory days but those are gone very long time ago..

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So far not mentioned is the -8° gun depression of the Tiger 2 vs the -5° of the IS-3. With that the Tiger 2 has an easier time finding workable hull-down positions and especially fighting over ridge lines.

With quite some critical threads/youtube/twitch commentaries I dreaded playing the Tiger 2, but it is not as bad as people make it sound ;)

I don't think you do much wrong with either tank - IS-3 is maybe a bit easier, bouncing a little more and because of its better mobility, but the Tiger 2 is not as bad as its reputation.

Obviously, both suffer from the current tier 8 meta, seeing many tier 9 and 10 tanks...


Edited by WhoCares01, 04 December 2017 - 09:27 AM.





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