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geoff99 #1 Posted 04 December 2017 - 08:29 PM

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I'd like to hear, from people who have one, how the German bulldog is after patch 9.18, in case it comes up for sale in the advent calendar.

 

There are various threads referring to it as OP, but without explanation. My baseline assumption is that it's competitive but no more: it's hp/t and ground resistances are way behind tech tree t8 lights; gun handling is average; shell speed is slow; its big with paper armour. 

 

I'd like to know;

- whether it's fun to play

- whether it makes credits, or rather how many credits it makes

- if its competitive with, say HWK or 132

- whether it's a must buy or a could buy

 

Thanks

 

Geoff



The_Georgian_One #2 Posted 04 December 2017 - 08:39 PM

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View Postgeoff99, on 04 December 2017 - 08:29 PM, said:

I'd like to hear, from people who have one, how the German bulldog is after patch 9.18, in case it comes up for sale in the advent calendar.

 

There are various threads referring to it as OP, but without explanation. My baseline assumption is that it's competitive but no more: it's hp/t and ground resistances are way behind tech tree t8 lights; gun handling is average; shell speed is slow; its big with paper armour. 

 

I'd like to know;

- whether it's fun to play

- whether it makes credits, or rather how many credits it makes

- if its competitive with, say HWK or 132

- whether it's a must buy or a could buy

 

Thanks

 

Geoff

 

How good are you playing light tanks? How good is your German LT crew?

 

The tank is fun to play, mostly due to gun handling and mobility. It has decent view range, though cammo is bad. It makes good credits if you spot over shooting, so games with high assistance will net you more vs high damage games. With 50% booster and premium account it would net me 130-150k for a 4-5k combined damage game.

 

I haven't played HWK after changes but compared to WZ the tank is better...accuracy is great compared to abysmal 'new' light tanks, gun handling is very good (it has american medium gun handling). HEP rounds are stupidly good vs lightly armored tanks. Mobility is more than decent. Compared to other premiums - it's way better than, say, CDC. Probably better than STA. On the same level of quality as Revaloriese. Not OP by any standards.

 

Is it a must have? No. Unless you really like LTs and are proficient LT driver. Is it a good tank? Yes. Is it fun to play? Yes, provided that you can accept that 80% of time you will be fighting heavies on a city map.

 

Edit: re income - you earn more if you win (obious, right?) and this tank is not good at carrying games due to no armor and current map rotation.


Edited by The_Georgian_One, 04 December 2017 - 08:53 PM.


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Good? It's the best T8 light by quite some margin. 

If it's for sale then yes, buy it, but that's highly unlikely. IIRC it hasn't been for sale since the GF 2+ years ago. 

But there was one way to get it (or the unpainted version) - through the Secret Santa giveaway thingy that WG did last Christmas. Though the chances of getting a T8 from it was very small, let alone the M41. I personally know of only one person who got  the unpainted M41 from that. 



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View PostExclamationMark, on 04 December 2017 - 08:56 PM, said:

Good? It's the best T8 light by quite some margin. 

If it's for sale then yes, buy it, but that's highly unlikely. IIRC it hasn't been for sale since the GF 2+ years ago. 

But there was one way to get it (or the unpainted version) - through the Secret Santa giveaway thingy that WG did last Christmas. Though the chances of getting a T8 from it was very small, let alone the M41. I personally know of only one person who got  the unpainted M41 from that. 

 

Its the best tier8 light, but still a balanced tier 8 :P

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View Postbrumbarr, on 04 December 2017 - 09:01 PM, said:

 

Its the best tier8 light, but still a balanced tier 8 :P

 

Pretty much what I was trying to say in my lenghty post.

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View PostExclamationMark, on 04 December 2017 - 07:56 PM, said:

(...)Though the chances of getting a T8 from it was very small, let alone the M41. I personally know of only one person who got  the unpainted M41 from that. 

 

Funny; there seems to have been a fair amount who got the M46KR. Woooooooo...



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Thanks all. Sounds like a definite yes for me then. If it comes up for sale....

I've got 2 x 3.5 perk crews in my RU and Rhm Pzw that I want to train up to 4.5 perks, and make some creds on the way, which it sounds ideal for.

 

Edit: next dilemma is whether to buy t44ltwt if that goes on sale soon. 


Edited by geoff99, 04 December 2017 - 09:15 PM.


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View PostExclamationMark, on 04 December 2017 - 07:56 PM, said:

Good? It's the best T8 light by quite some margin. 

If it's for sale then yes, buy it, but that's highly unlikely. IIRC it hasn't been for sale since the GF 2+ years ago. 

But there was one way to get it (or the unpainted version) - through the Secret Santa giveaway thingy that WG did last Christmas. Though the chances of getting a T8 from it was very small, let alone the M41. I personally know of only one person who got  the unpainted M41 from that. 

 

​Secret Santa was 2 years ago.......... Last year was the Tree.

Blackdog not been released since Santa thing. ​ Missed the release last year.

After the rebalance of lights I am not really expecting to see any of the GF lights.

 

Edit to correct error


Edited by Ballisticgel, 05 December 2017 - 05:41 PM.


8126Jakobsson #9 Posted 04 December 2017 - 09:30 PM

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Ye it's my favourite credit grinder. It's just fun to play and I don't care about the MM. Make creds driving around shooting at stuff or chill in a bush and rack in cheap assist monies.  

Havenless #10 Posted 04 December 2017 - 09:34 PM

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I would probably like it if it had shell speed. Bad shell speed has always been something in a tank I've coped poorly with. Even when I adjust and lead shots more they just fly high and end up nowhere when I play this tank. Bad shell speed just isn't for me.

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I like it, but I suck...

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View Postgeoff99, on 04 December 2017 - 07:29 PM, said:

I'd like to hear, from people who have one, how the German bulldog is after patch 9.18, in case it comes up for sale in the advent calendar.

 

There are various threads referring to it as OP, but without explanation. My baseline assumption is that it's competitive but no more: it's hp/t and ground resistances are way behind tech tree t8 lights; gun handling is average; shell speed is slow; its big with paper armour. 

 

I'd like to know;

- whether it's fun to play  = YES

- whether it makes credits, or rather how many credits it makes = 50k ish

- if its competitive with, say HWK or 132 = Yes

- whether it's a must buy or a could buy = No, I like it, it trains a German crew, it's good in Skirmish, but the tier X German light is inferior to the USSR, China, and french lights, and so why bother training a german crew? I bought it as I like lights.

 

Thanks

 

Geoff

 



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View PostExclamationMark, on 04 December 2017 - 07:56 PM, said:

 IIRC it hasn't been for sale since the GF 2+ years ago. 

last on sale advent 2016 on 22nd December.

 

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View PostJoggaman, on 04 December 2017 - 09:35 PM, said:

I like it, but I suck...

So long as you don't use your teeth I can't see that being a problem............



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View Postgeoff99, on 04 December 2017 - 09:14 PM, said:

Thanks all. Sounds like a definite yes for me then. If it comes up for sale...

 

I would not count on it. That and the 13 57 was removed from future sales after the LT changes. iirc the dev team more or less said not to expect it back for a few years.



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View Postbasin79, on 04 December 2017 - 08:56 PM, said:

So long as you don't use your teeth I can't see that being a problem............

 



MrEdweird #17 Posted 04 December 2017 - 10:53 PM

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I update the wiki page for it from time to time...maybe it will help you.

Link!

 

I don't necessarily think it's the best light, but just have a look here for a comparison to the regular M41 and the other lights at tier.

TANKS.GG

 

I can't get the 3rd mark on it yet, so I'm probably not the best to give advice, only have 2 marks but working on 3rd. I do have like 800 or more battles on it, though.

I find that the things that are disappointing about it is how slow the acceleration is on it in comparison to basically every other non-premium light scout, the 8 degrees of gun depression, which get me killed often, no idea why it doesn't have 10. Then the last thing is the camo - it sucks if you don't have camo crew but a strange quirk of the preset camo is that while I BELIEVE it is worse than regular M41 with applied camo, it is actually better than M41+camo if both tanks have 100% camo crew, because the camo skill multiplies the BASE camo of the tank and the camo that you can buy, I think, is a fixed %.

 

So M41 Walker Bulldog + applied camo is better than M 41 90 GF if neither have camo crew but if both have camo crew, then M 41 90 GF is better than M41 Walker Bulldog + applied camo.

 

The rest of it is fairly well balanced by comparison. The shell velocity is garbage. Alpha and DPM are decent but sometimes higher ROF is much more important for keeping tanks tracked etc.

You can see all the stats quite clearly in the links I provide.

 

In the end, I really enjoy mine but the quirks it has just don't click with me. It's hard to run away if you time it wrong and getting shots can be a pain. Then again that second bit counts for most lights at tier 8.

I recommend buying it but not 100%. If it had higher p/w ratio and 10 degrees of gun depression then I would recommend it 100%. Mostly it plays like a fast medium with 0 armor, a half-decent gun and can kinda spot when needed. Camo on the move and top speed are the only things it has related to being a scout.


Edited by MrEdweird, 04 December 2017 - 11:14 PM.


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I'd say it is the best tier 8 light. Highest DPM for tier 8 light at 2181. 400m view range (better than all others apart from the HWK). Fastest tier 8 light at 72km/h. Camo values are alright. Second highest pen for a tier 8 light at 182mm and highest health at 1100 hp. So it is pretty much a tier 9 scout at tier 8 in my opinion having better DPM than all tier 9 scouts.

All stats from https://tanks.gg/lis...ght&sh=standard

In conclusion the Black dog is good. Some people may say OP but not in my opinion.



LeGod7 #19 Posted 05 December 2017 - 10:00 AM

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It's alright, not amazing.

 

It's not really a light, it's a pseudo medium, it's a massive paper target, the camo rating is the worse IIRC of all tier 8 lights and it doesn't have the high HP/ton the other tier lights have.

 

It's more like a faster STA-2 with less pen, HP and gun depression. It even has the derpy shells like the STA-2. It's main strengths are it's higher DPM, good gun handling (though all lights have that), and the HEP shells. 

 

As an actual scout it's average. It was pretty weak IMO before the light tank rebalance, but most people bought it to play in SHs (where it only saw tier 8s), now it is a regular tier 8 it's competitive. Much like the Type 62, the change in tier has been a big boost for it. 



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I am bad in this tank so I can give perspective from bad player in this tank.(its is magnificant tank I know, I am bad).

I have problem in survivability with it ..It has poor camo, which is probabaly only drawback of this otherwise excellent tank.


So I lately learned to be cautious and actually do not spot with it anymore, only later in the game when battlefield is cleaned of other scouts.

HE shells are extraordinary, with 102  mm pen and 320 dmg its is perfect weapon to help clear the competition and that are enemy light tanks and poorly armored fast medium tanks.


When "competition" is cleared from the battlefield( enemy light tanks or fast medium tanks) even I can feel the power of this tank.


 

In my eyes it is bad in the role of light tank, spooting role in it is masochism against enemy light tanks,  but when there is no enemy spotters it is actually a dangerous flanker.
 


 


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