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Pz IV H derp vs M4 derp?


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Matcorr #1 Posted 04 December 2017 - 11:41 PM

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Having great fun since I rebought the M4, second tank I've 2 marked with a 2.9k damage game but how does the Pz compare? Having two good, little derp tanks would be fun.

dennez #2 Posted 04 December 2017 - 11:49 PM

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2014 called, they want their thread back

 

 

Anyways. I think the US derp is the way to go

 


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Derethim #3 Posted 05 December 2017 - 12:06 AM

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I'd actually love to see a comparison between the M4, the PZIV and the G1R's derps.

Can't search up stats tho, i'm on my phone. Can anyone post those?


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Unurautare #4 Posted 05 December 2017 - 12:18 AM

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https://tanks.gg/com...12118__18.21.25

Panzer 4 has better DPM (on paper), 1 second faster reload, more ammo, slightly better aim time and accuracy. 
Sherman has better gun depression/elevation (significant advantage when fighting on hills), better turret armor, better view range ~20 meters more (head to head the Panzer 4 has only -10 meters view range disadvantage because it has better camo value than then M4). http://www.wotinfo.n...camo-calculator

In most situations I believe the M4 offers an advantage to do more damage, mostly because of its gun depression, sloped armor and better view range, the gun being almost the same aside from the -1 second reload time the Panzer 4 has.
 

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Aikl #5 Posted 05 December 2017 - 12:25 AM

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View PostDerethim, on 04 December 2017 - 11:06 PM, said:

I'd actually love to see a comparison between the M4, the PZIV and the G1R's derps.

Can't search up stats tho, i'm on my phone. Can anyone post those?

 



SuedKAT #6 Posted 05 December 2017 - 01:19 AM

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I like the Pz Iv H more than the M4, not only do I do 680 damage per game on average in the Pz vs 647 in the M4 but I also find the Pz's turret traverse to be just godly.

TungstenHitman #7 Posted 05 December 2017 - 01:29 AM

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Have both, Panzer4 is better when both are fully upgraded with decent crew. I'd find it a weaker tank in terms of armor, M4 is sloped and can bounce a few shots and fairly decent hull down but the Panzer4 hits its target at mid range much better I find, carries insane amount of ammo also so you can afford to just bombard a ranged target with HE all battle long depending on map you will find hitting Jap heavies and KV1 etc no problem at all. I carry a GLD on mine though and once parked up in a good spot overlooking choke points, you can just drop HE after HE on enemy positions with remarkably consistent strikes, sure you can get trolled by the gun too but no more so than any derp. 

Totieso #8 Posted 05 December 2017 - 01:42 AM

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I've played the 3 tanks. I choose the pzIV because the better reload, camo, long shots accuracy and it snapshots better too! Also it has some armor in the hull that can bounce when you are in a slope. Camo skill is a must in the pzIVh.

The G1r is bad. It has the better armor of the 3, but the commander is the gunner, so you lose  the 10% the commander gives, plus the skills of the gunner.

Jigabachi #9 Posted 05 December 2017 - 01:49 AM

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I'd love to play the PzIV again, but it looks so stupid now...

Strappster #10 Posted 05 December 2017 - 01:54 AM

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Everyone always forgets the Sherman III in these threads. :(

SuedKAT #11 Posted 05 December 2017 - 01:59 AM

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View PostStrappster, on 05 December 2017 - 01:54 AM, said:

Everyone always forgets the Sherman III in these threads. :(

 

Must say, so far it's the only derp tank I've disliked, not sure why exactly since I play the others quite a lot to grind credits and I love those.

Strappster #12 Posted 05 December 2017 - 02:15 AM

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View PostSuedKAT, on 05 December 2017 - 12:59 AM, said:

Must say, so far it's the only derp tank I've disliked, not sure why exactly since I play the others quite a lot to grind credits and I love those.

 

Did you play the M4 before the Sherman? I played the Brit first and struggle to get any enthusiasm to play the M4. Currently trying it with the top 76mm gun instead of the derp in case that was it so I'm wondering if it's because I've chosen my favourite after completed that grind and keeping the tank.



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View PostStrappster, on 05 December 2017 - 02:15 AM, said:

 

Did you play the M4 before the Sherman? I played the Brit first and struggle to get any enthusiasm to play the M4. Currently trying it with the top 76mm gun instead of the derp in case that was it so I'm wondering if it's because I've chosen my favourite after completed that grind and keeping the tank.

 

I played them in this order, Pz IV H -> M4 Sherman -> Sherman E8 with the derp to grind the top gun -> Sherman Jumbo with the derp -> Hetzer -> Crusier II -> Sherman III

 

The Sherman III just felt meh after playing all of those derp tanks before it, can't put my finger on why exactly, but that feeling I get when I load into a battle in the others and feel excited when seeing T67 I can one shoot derp etc wasn't there with the Sherman III.



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View PostSuedKAT, on 05 December 2017 - 01:21 AM, said:

I played them in this order, Pz IV H -> M4 Sherman -> Sherman E8 with the derp to grind the top gun -> Sherman Jumbo with the derp -> Hetzer -> Crusier II -> Sherman III

 

The Sherman III just felt meh after playing all of those derp tanks before it, can't put my finger on why exactly, but that feeling I get when I load into a battle in the others and feel excited when seeing T67 I can one shoot derp etc wasn't there with the Sherman III.

 

Interesting. My derps went something like Pz. IV H -> various heavy grinds -> KV-1S -> T-34-85 -> Sherman M4. According to tanks.gg the two Shermans have identical gun handling, it's only the depression where the M4 wins and only by 2°. The Brit carries more ammo, has 5hp more and is marginally better on power/weight, that's about it.

 

I worry that my reluctance to take out the M4 is putting me off the next stage of grinding through two more Shermans. I know I only have to play one of them to advance the medium line but it's off-putting nonetheless.



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Thanks for reminding me about the Shermans!

I will probably buy the lot of them back.



Dava_117 #16 Posted 05 December 2017 - 07:37 AM

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Am I the only one who use M4 stock turret to have better mantlet armour?



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View PostDava_117, on 05 December 2017 - 06:37 AM, said:

Am I the only one who use M4 stock turret to have better mantlet armour?

 

You get 20mm of turret armour and lose 40 meters view range, not a worthwhile trade off.

Emeraldweed #18 Posted 05 December 2017 - 08:15 AM

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3marked the PZ in 69 games 886 average per game , haven't played the M4 tho i will give it a try althought i find their silhouette awkward to play with 

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View PostJigabachi, on 05 December 2017 - 01:49 AM, said:

I'd love to play the PzIV again, but it looks so stupid now...

 

Old darth vader turret ftw

View PostK_A, on 05 December 2017 - 08:03 AM, said:

 

You get 20mm of turret armour and lose 40 meters view range, not a worthwhile trade off.

 

And 60(?)hp.

 

Out of those three I like the G1R the most, if it wasn't for that massive, tall, paper cupola. Still, most of the dumber players try to shoot the hull, which isn't that easy to pen, yielding me some sweet bounces. Plus, it can sidescrape just as well as the Panzer IV :great:

EDIT: Also, dat shell velocity!


Edited by Derethim, 05 December 2017 - 08:17 AM.


Pandabird #20 Posted 05 December 2017 - 08:50 AM

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I prefer wolverine above all other options.

Reason? Aim time is superb.

Second place goes to M4, third goes to pzIV

G1r is just sad. It needs something cool like better acceleration or something to make up for its obvious inferiority. Shell velocity is rather nice though.




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