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logaritmusnaturalis #1 Posted 05 December 2017 - 01:45 PM

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Arguably the most overpowered tank tier for tier in the game will be available to purchase again. 

 

Tier 7 is already suffering because of this tank. But with the new sales the cockroach infestation will make it unplayable for months. 

 

Lets ruin one of the few good tiers to play at, hurray.

 

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K_A #2 Posted 05 December 2017 - 01:47 PM

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Oh boy.

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View Postlogaritmusnaturalis, on 05 December 2017 - 12:45 PM, said:

Arguably the most overpowered situational tank tier for tier in the game will be available to purchase again. 

 

Tier 7 is already suffering because of this tank. But with the new sales the cockroach infestation will make it unplayable for months. 

 

Lets ruin one of the few good tiers to play at, hurray.

 

https://thearmoredpa...dvent-calendar/

 

Corrected that for you.



Balc0ra #4 Posted 05 December 2017 - 01:58 PM

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It's still highly situational. And going by the German TD forum last year. Most that bought then was mad as heck as the gun was useless etc. And most did not get the hype. Thus why the 3x E25 platoons died out faster then expected.

 

But among those there will still be good players with it. And there will still be more 3 man platoons of it again for a few weeks vs now. So it will have an effect. But not as bad as most thought it would be when it did appear last year to. I thought tier 7 would be ruined for months. But most thought the E25 was bad, and it went back to the norm faster then expected. You still did see more solo E25 vs before for months after the last sale vs before. But still.



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Yeah, tier 7 is really suffering because of a tank you see maybe once every 10 battles. And if by unplayable you mean full of brain-dead tomatoes getting wiped out in the first minute because they thought they bought the "most overpowered tank tier for tier in the game" then yes, I agree.

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The problem with the E 25, so many people look at it as overpowered, they get all hyped when they hear of it going on sale, they ask their parents for their mums credit card, go off and buy it, have a battle and struggle to play it well, because they are not sure how to play it... and then it just gathers dust in the garage.

 

The E 25 is only good in the hands of a good player.



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>2017

>"e25 is OP" threads

You need to watch less QB fam



dennez #8 Posted 05 December 2017 - 02:07 PM

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Suffering? I play a lot of tier 7 and hardly see them. They're only dangerous in 3-man toons. But MM usually rapes those kind of toons deep in the [edited], so not much of those around <tier 10 anymore.

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This is just a troll thread by a user with multiple forum accounts, but you're gonna feed him anyway.

PowJay #10 Posted 05 December 2017 - 02:33 PM

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Why don't you post with your main account? Is it so that we can't laugh at how terrible you are and point out that you probably get thrashed by everything? Or is it that you are now a super unicum and don't want to look like a whining baby?

Uebergewicht #11 Posted 05 December 2017 - 02:54 PM

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The E-25 is just annoying as heck. A decent player on the right map will absolutely dominate in this tank, and there is hardly anything you can do because the E-25 holds advantages that were otherwise pached out long ago (camo after firing bonus). Sure, there will be quite a few matches where the enemy E-25s can do jack all, but once this thing is on sale again, basically every game in tiers 5-7 on an open map will be torture to play for a few weeks to come. I agree this tank is not consistently overpowered, but when it is, it is an absolute nightmare.

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I find it odd people call it a 'cockroach', which is synonymous with surviving anything, when the E25 is paper and low HP, so often does not survive.

 

It's situationally broken. It is a light tank with no turret, and in a meta of corridor maps, Defenders and VK 1001Ps, a turretless light tank with max 190 pen is not going to be very effective in most situations.

 

It has one trick really, camo after firing, that is about it. Even then I'm pretty sure a Defender could just drive at an E-25 and it would eventually either get spotted, run away or run out of ammo. 



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View PostUebergewicht, on 05 December 2017 - 02:54 PM, said:

 A decent player on the right map will absolutely dominate in this tank,

 

Indeed.. Which is about 10% of the games.. While you get shat on in the other 90%.. Real fun to play.



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View PostLeGod7, on 05 December 2017 - 02:59 PM, said:

It has one trick really, camo after firing, that is about it. Even then I'm pretty sure a Defender could just drive at an E-25 and it would eventually either get spotted, run away or run out of ammo. 

 

Claiming the most OP tier 8 premium can deal with a situationally OP tier 7 premium is not much of an argument to lessen the situational OP-ness of the tier 7. 

 

 

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Indeed.. Which is about 10% of the games.. While you get shat on in the other 90%.. Real fun to play.

 

Again I´m not saying the tank is great in general. But it is just annoying as heck when there are plenty of E-25s in the match maker, as some maps will get completely shut down by them in tiers 5-7. I also don´t think the E-25 is super fun to play for this exact reason, but that still doesnt change the fact that it has an outrageous advantage in certain situations that no other tank can match.


Edited by Uebergewicht, 05 December 2017 - 03:14 PM.


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View PostUebergewicht, on 05 December 2017 - 02:54 PM, said:

The E-25 is just annoying as heck. A decent player on the right map will absolutely dominate in this tank, and there is hardly anything you can do because the E-25 holds advantages that were otherwise pached out long ago (camo after firing bonus).

 

True. But that's not gonna be every E25 on the right map even after it goes on sale. As 90% of the new E25 owners last year played it like an active scout vs a bush sniper. Then again.... the stuff you mentioned is not something you get in 1 out of 5 games in the E25 on the right map even. It's not gonna do 3K damage based on that alone always.

 

View PostLeGod7, on 05 December 2017 - 02:59 PM, said:

It has one trick really, camo after firing, that is about it. Even then I'm pretty sure a Defender could just drive at an E-25 and it would eventually either get spotted, run away or run out of ammo. 

 

That could be said for most tier 8's. If you only have 5-10 gold rounds on your E25.. Even the Tiger II or the O-I could pull that off. It's not like 194 gold pen will work vs most of the lower plates on the tier 8 HT's head on with all the armor added there since it arrived.  And with AP, there are plenty of tier 6 and 7 armor that will troll it, not just OP tier 8 premiums. As you can still get 112 pen on a low pen roll. Camo is geat about it. But it's still highly situational... even as top tier vs tier 6 armor.


Edited by Balc0ra, 05 December 2017 - 03:19 PM.


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View PostUebergewicht, on 05 December 2017 - 03:10 PM, said:

 

Claiming the most OP tier 8 premium can deal with a situationally OP tier 7 premium is not much of an argument to lessen the situational OP-ness of the tier 7. 

Uh the Defender could go up to tier 9 without any problems. It would still be decent. It can fight against tier 9 and 10 tanks no big deal for the almighty Defender. The E25 however cant pen a IS3 or a T32 90% of the times. And it has absolutely no chance of penning a defender. So OP pls nerf. If you need to play against tier 8s you are facked. And that happens a lot, about 70% of the times I would say. The E25 is not a noob-proof tank, the Defender is. The Defender is on a whole other level then the E25. Just because you see unicums raping other people on youtube doesnt mean everyone can play it.



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View Postlogaritmusnaturalis, on 05 December 2017 - 01:45 PM, said:

Arguably the most overpowered tank tier for tier in the game

 

Spouting nonsense fast enough is the easiest way to shape reality.

Isn't it?

 

The tank lost it's ability to retain its camo while firing.

Not enough.

It also lost its ability to remain stable upon braking (the thing wiggles like a headless chicken when stopping).

Not enough.

 

What do you want already?



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View Postmister_duch, on 05 December 2017 - 03:20 PM, said:

Uh the Defender could go up to tier 9 without any problems. It would still be decent. It can fight against tier 9 and 10 tanks no big deal for the almighty Defender. The E25 however cant pen a IS3 or a T32 90% of the times. And it has absolutely no chance of penning a defender. So OP pls nerf. If you need to play against tier 8s you are facked. And that happens a lot, about 70% of the times I would say. The E25 is not a noob-proof tank, the Defender is. The Defender is on a whole other level then the E25. Just because you see unicums raping other people on youtube doesnt mean everyone can play it.

 

I´m not sure why you´re quoting me, as I agree. The Defender is ridiculous on all levels. The E-25 is just annoying as all hell in certain situations. I just stated just because the Defender can also squash a cockroach, doesnt make the cockroach less annoying (unless you exclusively play Defender I guess).

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View PostUebergewicht, on 05 December 2017 - 03:10 PM, said:

 

Claiming the most OP tier 8 premium can deal with a situationally OP tier 7 premium is not much of an argument to lessen the situational OP-ness of the tier 7. 

 

 

 

Again I´m not saying the tank is great in general. But it is just annoying as heck when there are plenty of E-25s in the match maker, as some maps will get completely shut down by them in tiers 5-7. I also don´t think the E-25 is super fun to play for this exact reason, but that still doesnt change the fact that it has an outrageous advantage in certain situations that no other tank can match.

 

What it highlights is the fact that a Russian heavy tank or similar (the IS3, Oh-Ho, O-Ni, Vk etc. could probably do the same just as well) completely out of it's comfort zone, in the open, on an open map, at long range with it's terrible view range, against an E-25 in it's best situation is still strong.

 

That is how poor the E-25s gun is.  



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View PosteXterm, on 05 December 2017 - 01:53 PM, said:

E 25 in noob's hands is not OP

Almost every premium tank in right hands is "OP"

 

Noobs like to wank on the red line, so flooding the game with them can cause some pretty sh*tty gameplay for a few days/weeks.

 

Just imagine 2/3 E25 fapbots in A5/6 on Cliff. Or beating their meat from the hill on Mines?

 

it is one of those tanks that while not necessarily OP, in great numbers it can cause an outbreak of ebola across the servers.


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