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E-50 88mm, Is it competetive and fun? Or is it just a meme.


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logaritmusnaturalis #1 Posted 09 December 2017 - 11:40 AM

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I have been checking out the E-50 ever since it got the 88mm gun. I'm really interested in it now because the gun makes it a niche tank, it isn't just another high tier copy paste 390 or 320 alpha damage medium tank, which I own plenty of. 

 

The question is though, is it still competetive with the gun, or at least is as competetive as the 105? I realize you'd have to adopt a more sniperschnitzel way of play and all. And is it as god damned fun as it seems to be on paper? 


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it's ok but as soon as people figure out you have the comedy gun they just push you, at least with the big gun they won't.

Zhongze_Li #3 Posted 09 December 2017 - 11:56 AM

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It is fun (and if I want a 105mm I go for the e50m anyway), and it's hilarious when people think you have just a stock gun but then realised you have over 3k dpm....

 

Note that I do have to put more effort into the fight when using the small gun, bigger alpha is sometime still useful considering that the 105mm and 88mm does not have that much difference in terms of gun handling.



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View Postsignal11th, on 09 December 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:

it's ok but as soon as people figure out you have the comedy gun they just push you, at least with the big gun they won't.

 

And that will be their biggest mistake, though? As it has significantly higher dpm, so if you make sure that you're in a position to utilize the dpm, you should win the brawl easily.

HundeWurst #5 Posted 09 December 2017 - 12:03 PM

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Its only there for the memes and for stock grinds.

The 105mm gun is superior due to its higher alpha. Yes worse DPM but DPM is a useless stat to begin with. I just laugh about E50 drivers with the long gun. Most people cannot make that DPM work to begin with. So I would strongly suggest to play with the 105.



iarmolenkho #6 Posted 09 December 2017 - 12:17 PM

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View PostWunderWurst, on 09 December 2017 - 02:03 PM, said:

Its only there for the memes and for stock grinds.

The 105mm gun is superior due to its higher alpha. Yes worse DPM but DPM is a useless stat to begin with. I just laugh about E50 drivers with the long gun. Most people cannot make that DPM work to begin with. So I would strongly suggest to play with the 105.

 

absolutely  :trollface:

AliceUnchained #7 Posted 09 December 2017 - 12:25 PM

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I actually did a stock grind with the E-50, and started with the 8.8 cm KwK 43 L/71 (as the L/100 wasn't available for the Panther II yet then), and that higher DPM is wasted most of the time. The 8.8 cm doesn't make it a niche tank, it simply makes it less effective most of the time. Furthermore, the E-50 is far from a copy/paste tank because of the 10.5 cm caliber gun.

 

And WunderWurst is right, most players are unable to utilize their DPM anyway.


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logaritmusnaturalis #8 Posted 09 December 2017 - 12:34 PM

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View PostAliceUnchained, on 09 December 2017 - 11:25 AM, said:

I actually did a stock grind with the E-50, and started with the 8.8 cm KwK 43 L/71 (as the L/100 wasn't available for the Panther II yet then), and that higher DPM is wasted most of the time. The 8.8 cm doesn't make it a niche tank, it simply makes it less effective most of the time. Furthermore, the E-50 is far from a copy/paste tank because of the 10.5 cm caliber gun.

 

And WunderWurst is right, most players are unable to utilize their DPM anyway.

 

Is it a good tank with the 105, worth getting?

AliceUnchained #9 Posted 09 December 2017 - 12:48 PM

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View Postlogaritmusnaturalis, on 09 December 2017 - 12:34 PM, said:

Is it a good tank with the 105, worth getting?

 

Once I got the 10.5 cm, the E-50 felt so much better for it. And look at it this way: if you can only get a shot off every 10+ seconds, the 10.5 cm already is the better choice. I have the E-50M researched, but so far haven't sold the E-50 yet. I think it's a keeper for me, not in the least to get rid of the bad aftertaste of the stock grind.



Bennie182 #10 Posted 09 December 2017 - 12:55 PM

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I never pushed for the 50M, so I still have E50 in my garage. I don't play it often, but still think it's really worth it. The armor works nicely and the 105 is really decent. It has good armor, but is still quite mobile. What more do you want?

The only downside in my opinion is the turret front armor, which can be penned quite easily by heavies mostly because it's flat, so be aware of that.


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AvengerOrion #11 Posted 09 December 2017 - 02:29 PM

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I thought the better gunhandling combined with a bigger dpm and slightly higher pen would make the 88 L100 prefered.

Guess I was wrong.



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The 88 L100 gun works.

I'm grinding my E50 with it, the gun is laser-like, mine has .27 accuracy and aims fast, very fast, and that's without BIA.

Nothing better for shooting across the map or for tracking enemies and keeping them tracked. I imagine the fury of someone who can't shoot at me but I can shoot at one of their tracks while arty lobs shells at them...

 

I don't know what above posters want with the top gun that has a mere 220 pen, except if they spam premium ammo.


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View PostAvengerOrion, on 09 December 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

I thought the better gunhandling combined with a bigger dpm and slightly higher pen would make the 88 L100 prefered.

Guess I was wrong.

 

240 alpha damage is already a big downside for a tier 8 tank. For a tier 9 tank it means you can't make any aggressive plays at all and I'm immediately free XPing the top gun.


DPM doesn't matter if your tank doesn't have the other characteristics to back it up such as big alpha or autoloader. With 240 alpha you'll practically never get close to your theoretical DPM because even bad enemies with their 390+ alpha guns will just trade you 1-for-1.

 

View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 09 December 2017 - 04:46 PM, said:

The 88 L100 gun works.

I'm grinding my E50 with it, the gun is laser-like, mine has .27 accuracy and aims fast, very fast, and that's without BIA.

Nothing better for shooting across the map or for tracking enemies and keeping them tracked. I imagine the fury of someone who can't shoot at me but I can shoot at one of their tracks while arty lobs shells at them...

 

I don't know what above posters want with the top gun that has a mere 220 pen, except if they spam premium ammo.

 

If the objective is to actually win games, I can think of quite a long list of things better than shooting across the map and tracking enemies. Such as being able to play aggressively and win snap shot trades, in which case alpha damage goes a long way.

 

If you want to trigger people by shooting them without being shot back at, buy the E25 bundle being sold today. Don't handicap your team by wasting a perfectly fine armored top/mid tier tank by camping redline 400m away from all the relevant action.


 

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View PostHavenless, on 09 December 2017 - 02:53 PM, said:

 

If the objective is to actually win games, I can think of quite a long list of things better than shooting across the map and tracking enemies. Such as being able to play aggressively and win snap shot trades, in which case alpha damage goes a long way.

 

If you want to trigger people by shooting them without being shot back at, buy the E25 bundle being sold today. Don't handicap your team by wasting a perfectly fine armored top/mid tier tank by camping redline 400m away from all the relevant action.

 

wow, I can litterally see arrogance dripping from that post... unreal.

I got 55% WR in the E50... trying to maintain :)

 

just checked your account... nice stats !

 


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The 105 is one of the best handling guns in the game where you hardly notice the lackluster ap pen because of its superb accuracy and shell velocity. Running the 88 is just retarded.

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 09 December 2017 - 04:59 PM, said:

 

wow, I can litterally see arrogance dripping from that post... unreal.

I got 55% WR in the E50... trying to maintain :)

 

just checked your account... nice stats !

 

If you expect to maintain 55% win rate with 1.3k damage per game at tier 9 you will have to platoon pad with better players really heavily. Otherwise you can expect your win rate to drop to the same 42-48% range as your other tier 9s, so far you've only been rolling good teams with a small sample size or platooning with better players. Just don't make the mistake of thinking that redline sniping with semi-stock gun and rolling a few good teams means you've solved the game.



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View PostHavenless, on 09 December 2017 - 02:30 PM, said:

 

If you expect to maintain 55% win rate with 1.3k damage per game at tier 9 you will have to platoon pad with better players really heavily. Otherwise you can expect your win rate to drop to the same 42-48% range as your other tier 9s, so far you've only been rolling good teams with a small sample size or platooning with better players. Just don't make the mistake of thinking that redline sniping with semi-stock gun and rolling a few good teams means you've solved the game.

 

Strange. The battle count and stats suggest a really, really bad player. The attitude suggests someone who not only has reached higher tiers, but actually knows what he is talking about.


Darn it, but I despise a smart-arse who posts on an alternate account.



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View PostHavenless, on 09 December 2017 - 03:30 PM, said:

 

If you expect to maintain 55% win rate with 1.3k damage per game at tier 9 you will have to platoon pad with better players really heavily. Otherwise you can expect your win rate to drop to the same 42-48% range as your other tier 9s, so far you've only been rolling good teams with a small sample size or platooning with better players. Just don't make the mistake of thinking that redline sniping with semi-stock gun and rolling a few good teams means you've solved the game.

 

soon someone will come to your defense and say "but he is really a nice person in real life"... maybe. or maybe not... lol.

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View PostAvengerOrion, on 09 December 2017 - 02:29 PM, said:

I thought the better gunhandling combined with a bigger dpm and slightly higher pen would make the 88 L100 prefered.

Guess I was wrong.

 

What better gun handling though? It has slightly better aim time, and slightly better accuracy, but dispersion on the move and hull traverse dispersion are equal, while dispersion on turret traverse is worse than with ​the 10.5 cm.

 

View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 09 December 2017 - 02:46 PM, said:

The 88 L100 gun works.

I'm grinding my E50 with it, the gun is laser-like, mine has .27 accuracy and aims fast, very fast, and that's without BIA.

Nothing better for shooting across the map or for tracking enemies and keeping them tracked. I imagine the fury of someone who can't shoot at me but I can shoot at one of their tracks while arty lobs shells at them...

 

Difference in accuracy is 0.29 vs 0.28 and aim time is 1.92 vs 2.01 seconds, while turret traverse dispersion is actually better for the 10.5 cm L/52 (0.10 vs 0.08). Yes, the 8.8 cm L/100 works. I don't think anyone has specifically stated it doesn't. But it really isn't a better option over the 10.5 cm L/52 in most cases, if at all.

 

View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 09 December 2017 - 02:46 PM, said:

I don't know what above posters want with the top gun that has a mere 220 pen, except if they spam premium ammo

 

The difference is a mere 3 mm (yes THREE mm) in penetration on standard rounds in favor of the 8.8 cm L/100 (223 mm vs 220 mm), and 9 mm on premium APCR in favor of the 10.5 cm L/52 (261 mm vs 270 mm). But yes, obviously players will need to spam premium rounds with the 10.5 cm L/52. In other words, you're full of nonsense. As seems to be the case practically all the time.

 

N.B. On a side note; it is rather remarkable that the premium APCR round for the 10.5 cm L/52 is actually cheaper than both 8.8 cm rounds (4.000 vs 4.400 credits).

 


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