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ArgentHellion #1 Posted 10 December 2017 - 11:52 AM

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About 6 months ago I managed to persuade my friend to start playing WoT,

we managed to play about 20 games together and then he decided to quit

the game permanently. Reason: where is the fun in suffering defeat after

defeat after defeat dealt by 10+ kills seal-clubbers in premium tanks, even

f you have the firepower to penetrate them you don't have the crew, the

equipment, and most importantly the skill to deal with them.

 

With the e25 going back to sale again and the matchmaker literally being

flooded with the goddamned thing yesterday, it's pretty obvious which way

this game is going, with every subsequent change the game is becoming

more brutal against newcomers as it focuses on pleasing those already

deep under the WoT banner (whales, in other words). If you're a premium

veteran, good for you, if you're a newcomer or you just can't or won't drop

the cash to keep up you just have to deal with the fact that you'll be constantly

stomped into the ground until you cave in and join the system.

 

Nowadays premium tanks are just festering the matchmaker, as far as I can

remember I never had a battle with less than 5 premiums in it, irrelevant of

the tier I'm fighting in. Some of them are alright by my book but some are just

nightmarish to deal with.

 

Would it be possible to include an additional option so the players won't

encounter premium tanks if they don't want to? For the game veterans this

opens up yet another option to abuse the system, yes I'm aware of that, but

that's literally the only way to protect the (relative) newcomers against the

onslaught of seal-clubbers. Maybe, for starters, limit the matchmaker so

that all players with less than 5000 battles simply don't get to play against

ANY kind of premium tanks?



Homer_J #2 Posted 10 December 2017 - 11:58 AM

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Newcomers don't get to meet seal clubbers until they have a few thousand battles or buy a tier 4.

 

BTW, was your post intended as poetry or something?  I don't understand why you cut each line short, or are you used to using a typewriter?

 

And I don't understand your obsession with premium tanks, you can seal club just as well in regular tanks.


Edited by Homer_J, 10 December 2017 - 12:01 PM.


jabster #3 Posted 10 December 2017 - 12:04 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 10 December 2017 - 10:58 AM, said:

Newcomers don't get to meet seal clubbers until they have a few thousand battles or buy a tier 4.

 

 

They may see them a lot less of them but only up to battle tier III. As for the buying a tier IV, I’ve seen that mentioned on the forum but never seen anything from WG that confirms it.



Homer_J #4 Posted 10 December 2017 - 12:06 PM

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View Postjabster, on 10 December 2017 - 11:04 AM, said:

 

They may see them a lot less of them but only up to battle tier III. As for the buying a tier IV, I’ve seen that mentioned on the forum but never seen anything from WG that confirms it.

 

I'm pretty sure it was mentioned by someone from WG some time if not in the patch notes.

 

The point being that OP deliberately stiffed his mate by platooning with him.



iztok #5 Posted 10 December 2017 - 12:10 PM

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Hi!

Low-tier premium tanks aren't a problem, but low-tier seal-clubbers are. WG did include newbie-protection in low tiers, but the further up the tiers one goes, harsher the game becomes. As simple as life - kindergarden ends early.

 

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Dava_117 #6 Posted 10 December 2017 - 12:11 PM

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I played several hours yesterday, almost only tier 6 and 7 and I didn't notice this E-25 invasion. Met 1 once in 3-4 games.

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View PostHomer_J, on 10 December 2017 - 11:06 AM, said:

 

I'm pretty sure it was mentioned by someone from WG some time if not in the patch notes.

 

The point being that OP deliberately stiffed his mate by platooning with him.

 

I really don’t remember it being in the patch notes (doesn’t mean it wasn’t of course) but it doesn’t make much sense to me as when I did a small expirement on newbie protection there were quite a few players wth a couple of thousand battles. Are there really that many players who wouldn’t have a tier IV by then?

 

As for the platooning, yeh it’s a safe bet that all members of the platoon have to be classed as newbies.



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View PostDava_117, on 10 December 2017 - 11:11 AM, said:

I played several hours yesterday, almost only tier 6 and 7 and I didn't notice this E-25 invasion. Met 1 once in 3-4 games.

 

Exactly. But people like the OP make up things and lie for no reason to people they don't know on the internet.

E-25 invasion... LMAO.

 

OP pathetic liar so no need to read the whole long winded post



Homer_J #9 Posted 10 December 2017 - 12:23 PM

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View Postjabster, on 10 December 2017 - 11:12 AM, said:

 

I really don’t remember it being in the patch notes (doesn’t mean it wasn’t of course) but it doesn’t make much sense to me as when I did a small expirement on newbie protection there were quite a few players wth a couple of thousand battles.

As ever it's one of those rules which the matchmaker can break if it can't make a battle in good time.



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How its different in other online games? ok in wot there are crewskills, equipment etc. But do you think its much fun for newcomers in cs go for example? especially in competitive mode there is so many great players creating alternative accounts to sealclub the crap out of bots, its even worse in cs go IMO, because over there one player can easily carry the whole team to victory if he is good enough. But i guess there are quite a few online games, especially f2p ones, where experienced players are creating twinks to beat the crap out of baby  seals.

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True enough that now half the tiers 8 i see are premium. I don t think it is only the money maker or the crew train factor.

You see lots of players with most of their battles in premium tanks.



Bennie182 #12 Posted 10 December 2017 - 12:26 PM

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I don't want to fight Maus, Type 4/5 and derp guns please. Please fix my mm, thank you WG.

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View PostHomer_J, on 10 December 2017 - 11:23 AM, said:

As ever it's one of those rules which the matchmaker can break if it can't make a battle in good time.

 

Honestly that wasn’t the way it seemed although I wasn’t looking at the tier IV rule. It was a small sample of which about 80% of the games where exclusively players with 2.5k games or less. I certainly didn’t notice any particular bias to how many games were played within that range.

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View PostBennie182, on 10 December 2017 - 11:26 AM, said:

I don't want to fight Maus, Type 4/5 and derp guns please. Please fix my mm, thank you WG.

 

at tiers 10 you are supposed to get used to it, even to like it if I dare say :P

ArgentHellion #15 Posted 10 December 2017 - 12:35 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 10 December 2017 - 12:11 PM, said:

I played several hours yesterday, almost only tier 6 and 7 and I didn't notice this E-25 invasion. Met 1 once in 3-4 games.

 

Wow, some people are just lucky... I barely managed to get a couple of battles

without them, several times I took part in battles that had a full platoon of them.

When there's 6 e25s in the battle, and when they're toptier, the rest of the players

just become cannon fodder :(

 

Lower tier seal-clubbers can be dealt with, premium or not the lower tiers have

their limitations that can be worked around, load premium ammo, use your team

as a distraction while you flank him, etc. It is also worth mentioning that seal-clubbers 

on lower tiers are not as much prevalent as on the higher tiers, simply due to the

fact that the premium tanks provide more of an advantage on higher tiers, as the

gap between the tiers becomes ever so larger.

 

Also, not all seal-clubbers roll around in premium tanks, I'm aware of that. When

you're able to score 11 kills in a T67, that's all skill and I take my hat down in

respect, but when you do it in an e25 that's just downright paying to win.

 

The number of battles cannot and should not be correlated with the tier, if someone

focuses on a single line. Take me for example, I have just over 6000 battles and I'm

already up to tier7 and 8 in most of my lines.

 

Back on topic... as I stated earlier, I recently began taking notes on how many 

premium tanks I get to encounter in the game, and so far it averages out at

just under 5 premium tanks per battle. But, considering I don't specifically know

every single premium tank in the game, the number could be quite higher.

 

Yes, higher tiers are festered with premium tanks and that's where most of my

numbers are coming from, since I mostly play tier 6,7 and 8, and I have the

misfortune of being bottomtier most of the time. (You have no idea how frustrating

it is to run a stock AT 8 and run against tier8 again and again).


Edited by ArgentHellion, 10 December 2017 - 12:51 PM.


Homer_J #16 Posted 10 December 2017 - 12:37 PM

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View PostArgentHellion, on 10 December 2017 - 10:52 AM, said:

 

Would it be possible to include an additional option so the players won't

encounter premium tanks if they don't want to?

 

Explain why this is in the interests of the players with premium vehicles.  And when you realise that you can't you'll realise why WG will never do this. They're in the business of selling those vehicles and they want you to buy some.  They're hardly going to let you play in non premium vehicles away from them. You are there to be farmed.

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ArgentHellion #18 Posted 10 December 2017 - 01:21 PM

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View PostHedgehog1963, on 10 December 2017 - 12:53 PM, said:

 

Explain why this is in the interests of the players with premium vehicles.  And when you realise that you can't you'll realise why WG will never do this. They're in the business of selling those vehicles and they want you to buy some.  They're hardly going to let you play in non premium vehicles away from them. You are there to be farmed.

 

That right there is the main reason why the game isn't seeing much needed

new blood and why new players are turned away from it so easily. It's focusing

way too much on the whales while not giving pretty much anything to others,

and that's undeniably going to be its downfall.

 

I only have a single premium vehicle, which has been gifted to me, so I'm

unable to explain the premium player's point of view. Actually, I wonder if

most of the players constantly running premium tanks realize the damage

they are causing on the long run...



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View PostArgentHellion, on 10 December 2017 - 11:52 AM, said:

About 6 months ago I managed to persuade my friend to start playing WoT, we managed to play about 20 games together and then he decided to quit the game permanently. Reason: where is the fun in suffering defeat after defeat after defeat dealt by 10+ kills seal-clubbers in premium tanks, even if you have the firepower to penetrate them you don't have the crew, the equipment, and most importantly the skill to deal with them.

Sooo... I guess you played those 20 matches in a platoon. That way, the newbie protection obviously doesn't work.

But still: If you start playing a game but quit after 20 matches and then blame it on a few sealclubbers... seriously, boohoo. Joining a game that is multiple years old already is always a challenge. If you lack the will and persistence to get through the beginning, then these kinds of games obviously aren't for you.

And I have no idea what that has to do with premium vehicles.

 

edit: Please use a normal text layout. No need to randomly press enter after a few words. You aren't writing on a typewriter.

 

 


Edited by Jigabachi, 10 December 2017 - 01:33 PM.


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View PostArgentHellion, on 10 December 2017 - 12:21 PM, said:

 

 Actually, I wonder if

most of the players constantly running premium tanks realize the damage

they are causing on the long run...

 

Nobody is constantly running premium tanks apart from the odd PzIIJ seal clubber.  They are used to make credits and train crews.  And most of them aren't even that good.

 

And stop pressing enter every few words.






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