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X_Warlock_X #1 Posted 10 December 2017 - 03:58 PM

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Why Removing FV215b-183 ?

 

it's sort of Partial behaviour towards the New n Casual players.

 

when instead you could have just placed it in a branch just below Badger.  Just like the new upcoming French heavy tanks line.

 

So that new players in future also still would've option to play whether Badger or Fv-215b (183).

 

i know you might put up reasons like below , for which i have feedback also below them -


1) if it's Broken , then why do older players also get to keep it ?

 

by older players i mean -
, players who alreay own it
, players who are already some hafway in that TD line
, players who somehow still yet get to unlock fv 215b (183) grinding like crazies.

so that way some people get to keep it and new people won't.

 

2) you would say new players/you could've grind it from Dec1-Dec13 2017.

 

well, FYKI some players do have other things also TO DO in life like Work , take care and spend time with Family etc..and travel also sometimes.

 

so, it's practically impossible to unlock a tier 10 vehicle that way in just 2 weeks , for any New players.

Unless someone really has to go crazy in unlocking tiers.

 

What you wanna take the sanity of person away and make him go completely Crazy/insane in unlocking tiers ?
and What ? Leave everything away in life.

 

This is just a Forced pushing kind of behaviour upon new/some/most players , to push them to play only 1 Tank Destroyer line like crazies.
and by pushing upon players i mean - "Oh boy! you want that tank. You gotta play only this particular vehicle line for this
much time."

 

so in a way you are telling players "What to play with this month" ,
rather than their own choice.

 

3) you wanna make Fv4005 more relevant ingame

 

well, FV4005 armor/camo-wise is way much more bad at stats than Fv215b (183).

 

i mean FV4005 got no turret armor and even way bad Camo than Fv215 (183).

 

even Skorpion G/RHM Borsig which have no turret Armor , but got some fair Camo rating.

 



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View PostX_Warlock_X, on 10 December 2017 - 03:58 PM, said:

1) if it's Broken , then why do older players also get to keep it ?

 

It was removed because it did not fit the line. It's a turreted TD on a non turreted line. As having consistency on a line is the new thing for WG now. And if you have suggestions on a tier 8 and 9 to put in there to do the same as the French HT line, then by all means, put it up there. The German HT line was shuffled around the time you joined as they had a tier 8 and 9 to put in there to make the tier X consistent with the lower tiers again.

 

View PostX_Warlock_X, on 10 December 2017 - 03:58 PM, said:

2) you would say new players/you could've grind it from Dec1-Dec13 2017.

 

If you are brand new to the game around now, I suspect you really don't know or care about the 183 yet, or know what to aim for or even what kind of tank or nation you like. And if you have played since the Summer and say family is more vital then grinding like a mad man, or eve any pixel tank. Then again why care? I suspect you had little interest in the 183 even when you came. As you have not played a single British TD as is. And the highest normal tier you have, is the Jap HT's on tier 6.

 

View PostX_Warlock_X, on 10 December 2017 - 03:58 PM, said:

This is just a Forced pushing kind of behaviour upon new/some/most players , to push them to play only 1 Tank Destroyer line like crazies.
and by pushing upon players i mean - "Oh boy! you want that tank. You gotta play only this particular vehicle line for this
much time

 

No one is forcing anyone do to anything. Just like no one forced you to buy 4 tier 8 premiums etc. It's mostly aimed at vet players that have the time, or the free XP to convert for it to get up the line fast. Not new players that started last week. And the change has been known for most players for months. Most started that line knowing about the change long ago. Not that many did start on it last week I suspect.

 

View PostX_Warlock_X, on 10 December 2017 - 03:58 PM, said:

 

3) you wanna make Fv4005 more relevant ingame

 

 

It was buffed recently. It was way worse before. And they made it more mobile etc on test for the last patch. But it broke more then it did fix, and it was toned down before the patch went live. Just imagine the Skorp G with the 183 gun, and that's more or less what it was on the first test. It was way to fast. The 183 has turret armor, and is fairly strong hull down. Thus why most go the HT lines with then. The 4005 like the Skorp is the essential support tank. Camo is vital, but mobility and staying out of view range vs the enemy even more so.



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View PostX_Warlock_X, on 10 December 2017 - 04:58 PM, said:

2) you would say new players/you could've grind it from Dec1-Dec13 2017.

 

well, FYKI some players do have other things also TO DO in life like Work , take care and spend time with Family etc..and travel also sometimes.

 

so, it's practically impossible to unlock a tier 10 vehicle that way in just 2 weeks , for any New players.

Unless someone really has to go crazy in unlocking tiers.

 

What you wanna take the sanity of person away and make him go completely Crazy/insane in unlocking tiers ?
and What ? Leave everything away in life.

 

This is just a Forced pushing kind of behaviour upon new/some/most players , to push them to play only 1 Tank Destroyer line like crazies.
and by pushing upon players i mean - "Oh boy! you want that tank. You gotta play only this particular vehicle line for this
much time."

 

so in a way you are telling players "What to play with this month" ,
rather than their own choice.

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 Why Removing FV215b-183 ?

 

it's sort of Partial behaviour towards the New n Casual players.

 

when instead you could have just placed it in a branch just below Badger.  Just like the new upcoming French heavy tanks line.

 

So that new players in future also still would've option to play whether Badger or Fv-215b (183).

 

We're lucky it's going to special status to be honest, too many on the battlefield, no tank in the game should be able to 1 shot some tier 10's, most tier 9's and all tier 8's and still have more damage than artillery. Besides, you can still grind the FV4005 if you wanted the FV215b 183 just for the gun.
 

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 so, it's practically impossible to unlock a tier 10 vehicle that way in just 2 weeks , for any New players.

Unless someone really has to go crazy in unlocking tiers.

 

New players shouldn't be rushing up the tech trees anyway, first, learn to play the game, and then go for it.

 

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 so in a way you are telling players "What to play with this month" ,
rather than their own choice.

 

It is their own choice whether they want to play the tank or not.
 

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well, FV4005 armor/camo-wise is way much more bad at stats than Fv215b (183).

 

i mean FV4005 got no turret armor and even way bad Camo than Fv215 (183).

 

even Skorpion G/RHM Borsig which have no turret Armor , but got some fair Camo rating.

 

What? FV4005 has bad stats? of course it does, how else can you balance a 183mm gun, It's pretty good that you get spotted instantly after shooting in the FV4005 with that giant gun.

Skorpion G and Borsig have decent camo rating, yes, but do they have giant 183mm guns? no. 



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FV4005 > 183 anyway. Sure 4005 has worse camo but 183's camo is terrible as well so it barely matters. 183 does have more armor but it is not as great as it seems like. 4005 is also way better at getting HESH pens because of better accuracy + better mobility + better gun arc + much better gun depression, which is the main thing these tanks has going for.

 

And if you want a rolling bunker with bigass HE cannon, just grind the Type 5 Heavy.



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OP is mad that he isn't able to reach the 183 in time.

 

EDIT: true reason: it doesn't fit the line, they cannot introduce similar tanks a tier lower because it would break the game, and it's not even that great, it's as random as a casino and expensive to run. It's like a tier 10 Pz II J. So it can have the same status.


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Bought Death Star, and not very happy with him

Gun handling, worst than for Type 5 derp

Big reload time, low shell velocity.

no gun depresion

He don't have place at the end of that TD line

In fact, it's a kind of heavy SPG

Having good games with 183 depends on how your team is playing, and how much premium rounds you shoot.

The better way was to replace FV4005 with 183.



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View PostBalc0ra, on 10 December 2017 - 04:15 PM, said:

 

It was removed because it did not fit the line. It's a turreted TD on a non turreted line. As having consistency on a line is the new thing for WG now. And if you have suggestions on a tier 8 and 9 to put in there to do the same as the French HT line, then by all means, put it up there. The German HT line was shuffled around the time you joined as they had a tier 8 and 9 to put in there to make the tier X consistent with the lower tiers again.

 

 

If you are brand new to the game around now, I suspect you really don't know or care about the 183 yet, or know what to aim for or even what kind of tank or nation you like. And if you have played since the Summer and say family is more vital then grinding like a mad man, or eve any pixel tank. Then again why care? I suspect you had little interest in the 183 even when you came. As you have not played a single British TD as is. And the highest normal tier you have, is the Jap HT's on tier 6.

 

 

No one is forcing anyone do to anything. Just like no one forced you to buy 4 tier 8 premiums etc. It's mostly aimed at vet players that have the time, or the free XP to convert for it to get up the line fast. Not new players that started last week. And the change has been known for most players for months. Most started that line knowing about the change long ago. Not that many did start on it last week I suspect.

 

 

It was buffed recently. It was way worse before. And they made it more mobile etc on test for the last patch. But it broke more then it did fix, and it was toned down before the patch went live. Just imagine the Skorp G with the 183 gun, and that's more or less what it was on the first test. It was way to fast. The 183 has turret armor, and is fairly strong hull down. Thus why most go the HT lines with then. The 4005 like the Skorp is the essential support tank. Camo is vital, but mobility and staying out of view range vs the enemy even more so.

 

Nope, first i am not like brand new to the tanking game all together like.

 

I am an Armored Warfare player at most tier 10s vehicles in my garage and i do know about the weakspots things , armor profiles and pen, playstyle things.

 

I am not totally new at Tanking.

 

Now, since i like all sorts of Tanks, i mean Word War 2 tanks also , so i came here some months ago and like to play World of Tanks too sometimes.

 

and Thank you for clarifying about the thing with the whole "Consistency of the line" thing ,

that Wot devs want the line to be all go turretless and since Fv-215b (183) is with turret.

That's a valid point i also agree with.

 

Well, you r quite right there , i wasn't interested in Fv-215b (183) before previously like in Summers , becuz i didn't see it's reviews before anyways by @TheFochYou and @QuickyBaby.

 

But, i had it in mind that may be someday i will start working that British TD line too, but not Now , as i was more focussed n preferring on working on HT lines.

 

and only knew from some friends who also happen to play Wot and Wot Blitz,

that in TDs - Strv, Foch, WZ new Chinese lines are good.

and in HT - Type-5 heavy , Maus, E100, IS-7, Super Conqueror lines are also good.

so i can go for any you like n prefer.

 

and in Premium Tank incase if i want to buy for my credit needs , friends told me and from reviews too that - 

"Patriot , Defender, Liberty , WZ-120-1GFT, Skorpion G" all are good n fine stuff. AMX-Cda 105 i bought only cuz i liked it for is different looking Filmsy style design.

 

No one forced me to buy Premium i know and i agree too there.  I was n got interested in them n so bought them.

I 've No Problem or Complains with the Premium tanks as they are some or the other time available to buy incase i like to buy and try any of them for fun ingame.

 

Though Fv-215b (183) seemed different story , i had it in my mind , but preferred HTs over it , didn't happen to just start working on that line n put that line for sometime later, that doesn't implies i wasn't interested. i got even more interested after seeing reviews. But as i expected Fv-215b (183) might just be there to unlock and buy sometime later.

 

Untill i saw this news on 21 November about -

 

Update 9.21: British Tank Destroyers

General News 21/11/2017

 

https://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/general-news/921-british-tank-destroyers/

 

 

So, i thought may be it's too late to work on grind , unlock and get Fv215b-(183) by then from 21 Nov.

and Since i have not yet got to tier 10 , So i had no idea and had doubts in mind like "how much time will it take to grind for any tier 10" in wot ?

 

like Will i be even able to make it to tier 10, n that too like in how much time, just when the new update hit anytime soon ?

OR What if i will just may be able to barely get to Tortoise and still miss on Fv-215b (183),

 

As for some people to unlock tier 10 on forums said 2 months , 4 months like so, or depending upon how much time they spend into playing and grinding.

 

So , i thought - "Why not Wot devs put Fv-215b (183) , like in a new branch emerging out of Tortoise or like adjacent to Fv4005" , rather than removing it all together completely.

So, that may be New players like me and some other , also might get a chance to get n try hands on Fv-215b (183) sometime.

 

Just like the new French Heavy line will emerge out from AMX-Mle  45 , parallel to AMX-50 line, i think.

 

That's why plainly i pointed it out and suggested.

 

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Also, Fv4005 looks promising, as it has got the same 183mm gun , and Alpha damage , pen , Gun reload just like Fv-215b (183).

Though it only lacks turret armor (seeing on tanks.gg) and if it gets slight buffed in Camo rating just like may be Fv-215b (183) has , lil turret armor in some places/areas

FV4005 can then just replace the need for Fv-215b (183) totally.

 

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View PostPoIestar, on 10 December 2017 - 05:32 PM, said:

OP is mad that he isn't able to reach the 183 in time.

 

 

and Lol , No i am not mad PoIestar.

 

cuz if i had been mad . Lol, i would have been spending my time like crazies from 21 Nov , when i 1st saw the news "Update 9.21: British Tank Destroyers".

 

Instead, i decided not to grind and may be request simply on forums , that May be if Wot devs also let remain Fv215b-183 in some branch coming out of Tortoise or adjacent to

Fv4005.

 

Unless, Fv215b-183 is rendered useless in front of Fv4005. cuz both will be same tanks then if Fv4005 also gets slight buff in turret armor n only slight camo values like Fv215b-183.

 

and Viola! No need for same tanks then! :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by X_Warlock_X, 10 December 2017 - 06:47 PM.


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Some people knew that the fv 183 was going to be replaced since september. I think dezgamez warned about it in september or early october. or through other media. People on the forum know that wargaming itself always releases their news later then any other source. 

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View PostX_Warlock_X, on 10 December 2017 - 05:31 PM, said:

 

 

Just like the new French Heavy line will emerge out from AMX-Mle  45 , parallel to AMX-50 line, i think.

 

 

The French line is different because the current tier X fits where it is and the new line follows on from earlier tanks.

 

And to change their mind now would be a kick in the teeth for anyone who spent the last two or three months researching the 183 wouldn't it?  Imagine if you had put time and effort and maybe money into something for WG to decide at the last minute that they won't do it.



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I believe this whole crap of not fitting the line before it is just a viable cover up. It is simply a strategy to earn some $$$ with minimum work. Splitting the line like with chinese wont make them any money but introducing one new tank which supposedly fit while "removing" the previous so people will grind like crazy, buy prem acount, reserves or convert xp for gold to get both in time will. They could easily split the line like with chinese and eventually just add some new line to the game which would lead to this tank which is being replaced but that wont make them fast easy money they are after these days it seems.

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View PostHomer_J, on 10 December 2017 - 07:20 PM, said:

The French line is different because the current tier X fits where it is and the new line follows on from earlier tanks.

 

And to change their mind now would be a kick in the teeth for anyone who spent the last two or three months researching the 183 wouldn't it?  Imagine if you had put time and effort and maybe money into something for WG to decide at the last minute that they won't do it.

 

yeah , that also a point. it will make them feel bad.

 

so i Guess , getting to know about the news about Fv215b-(183) on 21 Nov was a punch in face for players like me n made felt bad too.

like omg! wtf! Fv215b-(183) shall be removed in sometime , without getting my hands on..lol

 

But then i guess, we as the new players who got at a slight disadvantage , especially those of us who got to know the news quite late on 21 Nov on wot news section

(which is where wargaming's fault lies here to release it later) not giving enough amplesome time to try n make the grind  , so shall 've to settle for the Fv4005 then.

 

i mean somebody has to suffer. old players vs new players! so hey, why not the new players.  

 

Whatever! Nevermind!

 

sure! we can have other tanks ingame that can even perhaps pen Fv215-b (183) , with good camo ratings , especially if out of it's view range n Fv makes some mistake.

 

"One can't hit a tank, if One can't see it!"

 

Besides FV4005 n Jag E100 is almost as good. :)

 

 



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Forget about the 183, just too late to the party m8. Here is another tip: start on the IS-4 and Obj. 263 lines since those are probably are also subject to change in the future!

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If you decide to write a post not in your native language please check it because it is damn hard to read this gibberish

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View Postetody77, on 10 December 2017 - 05:01 PM, said:

 

In fact, it's a kind of heavy SPG

 

Because it IS a heavy SPG (SPG doesn't mean .Arty).

 

Then again, why wouldn't people want THIS vehicle as a trainer and grind Stage II at the same time?

The crew layout is exactly the same. You'd be getting 2 L4s: one "premium", one not.



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View PostOreH75, on 10 December 2017 - 08:15 PM, said:

Forget about the 183, just too late to the party m8. Here is another tip: start on the IS-4 and Obj. 263 lines since those are probably are also subject to change in the future!

Can you tell us more, please?

 



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View PostWindSplitter1, on 10 December 2017 - 09:27 PM, said:

 

 

Then again, why wouldn't people want THIS vehicle as a trainer and grind Stage II at the same time?

The crew layout is exactly the same. You'd be getting 2 L4s: one "premium", one not.

For english HT, i has no time, for french TD i was not interrested ( it was researched in my techtree, but i has 1,5 kk less) but for this i have played tortoise with boosters, because it was my dream TD.Now, with the big gun on FV405, i will have one day 2 big guns turreted tds



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View PostX_Warlock_X, on 10 December 2017 - 06:57 PM, said:

 

so i Guess , getting to know about the news about Fv215b-(183) on 21 Nov was a punch in face for players like me n made felt bad too.

like omg! wtf! Fv215b-(183) shall be removed in sometime , without getting my hands on..lol

 

 

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View Postetody77, on 10 December 2017 - 09:40 PM, said:

Can you tell us more, please?

 

 

TD info: https://ritastatusre...rsion-4-in-hd/  Thought there was a WG video as well but cannot find it

IS-4: Cant remember where i read that, probably on this fourm.

 


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Oho you only now figured out that making these tanks a "special vehicle" and not removing them is not a "nice move for the players" but an ice cold way to monetisation?

 

Yes this is exactly what Wargaming wants to happen: Why remove a ready to go tank which seems to be alright? It would be wasted time. Instead make it a reward tank.

People will start grinding it like crazy because "zombie mode must have" And throwing money at WG to get the "free" tier 10 reward tank. In the meantime they dont even realie that all the money they spend for gold to convert to free exp and more credits to buy the tank are the true pricetag.

 

Only the people who already have that tank and dont grind towards it with any other intensity than they would normally do are getting it for free. Isnt that obvious? Its a WIN WIN situation for Wargaming and the players.

We (the players) cant complain since we get some free reward tank, they wont complain since they make more money off stupid players starting to spend more, or even only starting to play the game more than they would usually do.

 

I can see these tanks returning in the future for bonds though. Maybe some missions get you a token with which you can, granted you have the bonds for the price of that tank, buy it without ever having anything researched. Thats my wild guess, it would also make sense.


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