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JaffaStar #1 Posted 10 December 2017 - 04:37 PM

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I play for a few days now mostly tier IX and X light tanks , AMX 13 90 and AMX 13 105 ... i play it far better then i actually play .. but this is the outcome .. and it seems that it will be no better , and i do not know why ... 

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My WN 8 is around 1300 - 1400 , but this last 400 battles is around 1900 - 2000 and still my winning is dropped down to 44 - 45 % ... :(



Spurtung #2 Posted 10 December 2017 - 04:53 PM

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Looking at that image is like driving a fancy vehicle, or being at a nuclear plant.

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vasilinhorulezz #3 Posted 10 December 2017 - 04:55 PM

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You need to post some replays, so people can comment on your gameplay.

Also, doing damage and spotting, isn't always the case in leading to the win.

You need to prioritize targets, spot whenever is needed and do damage when needed,

kill high priority targets, go and fight for the right areas on each map and so on...

but still, you should upload some replays, so people can see what you're need to improve.



K_A #4 Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:01 PM

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We all have good streaks and bad streaks. Sometimes my last 100 battles have been 45% wins, sometimes they are 72% wins even though I play pretty consistently almost all the time. It all evens out in the long run, and in the overall winrate. Part of the problem, though, seems to be that you just really struggle to perform well with high tier lights. Your winrates on all of them is under 50%. 

 

The thing with lights is that you can be deceived into thinking you're doing well because you have good WN8 in them, but in reality all you're doing is padding it with a few shots each battle but you're not contributing in the way you should as a light tank. And I'm not saying lights should only spot always, not at all, but you need to be aware that in situations where spotting is necessary, you are often the best tank for the job. You are often also the fastest tank, so you need to be able to evaluate where you should be, what damage is most important, and go there and do it instead of just sitting on that one flank and farming a couple shots at meaningless lower tier targets.

 

As the guy before me said, replays would be helpful for a better analysis.



clixor #5 Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:14 PM

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Measuring performance in terms of win8 is useless. 2k win8 ofc. is decent, but in all reality it doesnt take much damage. I just had a game in the 105, 1800 dmg and that,s 2293 win8. And with such (low) amount of damage you are not going to have the impact for your team in those 'balanced' battles. And that's even assuming the damage you do is critical for your team, it also could be just a late game useless clip.

 

In terms of tips, i would at least make sure the damage you do is beneficial to your team. With an autoloader you can also support a push or whatever. The clip size of the 105 is pretty substantial. Then if you want to push your winrate to 60% ish+ levels you need to carry pretty often. And that means like 5k dmg+ games.

 

 



Cobra6 #6 Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:24 PM

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If you are doing damage yet losing, it means you are doing damage on useless targets that have no impact on the game itself.

 

Try and do less of that damage and focus more on spotting the important enemies for your team and also, focus on doing damage in the second half of the game, not the first, in a light tank.

 

wn8 is much *MUCH* less useful a metric for light tanks as for other classes because your job is not necessarily to damage yourself, it's also to enable *your allies* to do damage by way of vision. Generally if you play a match, go 6K spotting damage and only 800 damage yourself, that is a good match in a light tank, for example.

Don't focus on wn8 if you are playing lights, focus on getting that assistance damage counter up and hoover up some damage later on when you can.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 10 December 2017 - 05:29 PM.


WindSplitter1 #7 Posted 10 December 2017 - 09:30 PM

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View PostCobra6, on 10 December 2017 - 04:24 PM, said:

wn8 is much *MUCH* less useful a metric for light tanks as for other classes because your job is not necessarily to damage yourself, it's also to enable *your allies* to do damage by way of vision. Generally if you play a match, go 6K spotting damage and only 800 damage yourself, that is a good match in a light tank, for example.

Don't focus on wn8 if you are playing lights, focus on getting that assistance damage counter up and hoover up some damage later on when you can.

 

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The no wonder I have tomato stats. I was always an LT'er. I did wrongly in trying to change that.

 

While we're on the subject, is there a metric specifically made for LTs on these basis'?



Captain_Kremen0 #8 Posted 10 December 2017 - 09:33 PM

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No - LT love arty because without arty LT would be the next bugbear.

RIP the old T50 parked up a heavies butt  dealing the do.



Bigtime_Alarm #9 Posted 10 December 2017 - 10:17 PM

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It all went downhill after you clicked the install game button

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K_A #10 Posted 10 December 2017 - 10:26 PM

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View PostWindSplitter1, on 10 December 2017 - 08:30 PM, said:

 

The no wonder I have tomato stats. I was always an LT'er. I did wrongly in trying to change that.

 

While we're on the subject, is there a metric specifically made for LTs on these basis'?

 

AFAIK no single metric really exists for light tank effectiveness. What I'd look is winrate, spots per battle and damage+assisted damage per game (in that order of significance) to judge general light tank performance. 

Cannes76 #11 Posted 10 December 2017 - 10:42 PM

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The one thing that stands out is your avr dmg per battle at 860. This is very very low.

Tomotorqemada #12 Posted 10 December 2017 - 11:19 PM

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View PostJaffaStar, on 10 December 2017 - 04:37 PM, said:

I play for a few days now mostly tier IX and X light tanks , AMX 13 90 and AMX 13 105 ... i play it far better then i actually play .. but this is the outcome .. and it seems that it will be no better , and i do not know why ... 

http://prntscr.com/hlko4m

any suggestions ??/ 

My WN 8 is around 1300 - 1400 , but this last 400 battles is around 1900 - 2000 and still my winning is dropped down to 44 - 45 % ... :(

DO A BARREL ROLL



chiggy #13 Posted 10 December 2017 - 11:32 PM

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View PostCannes76, on 10 December 2017 - 10:42 PM, said:

The one thing that stands out is your avr dmg per battle at 860. This is very very low.

 

​Very low compared to who? The royal we? The pro's of the game? Because for me I would love a player on my team who can make 850 damage. I would consider him a good player because most players (a good 90 percent) make one pen all game and die. 90 percent are complete rubbish, who could be outplayed if the brain of stick insect was controlling the opposition tank via neural interface.

HugSeal #14 Posted 11 December 2017 - 12:25 AM

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View Postchiggy, on 10 December 2017 - 11:32 PM, said:

 

​Very low compared to who? The royal we? The pro's of the game? Because for me I would love a player on my team who can make 850 damage. I would consider him a good player because most players (a good 90 percent) make one pen all game and die. 90 percent are complete rubbish, who could be outplayed if the brain of stick insect was controlling the opposition tank via neural interface.

 

Someone doing a bit better than "complete rubbish, who could be outplayed if the brain of stick insect was controlling the opposition tank" is not automatically doing good. Less bad, yep. Good, nope.

 

Where are your sources for 90% of players doing 1 shot worth of damage per game? Because that is very far from what I and whoever calculates wn8 has observed.


Edited by HugSeal, 11 December 2017 - 12:28 AM.


clixor #15 Posted 11 December 2017 - 12:42 AM

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View Postchiggy, on 10 December 2017 - 11:32 PM, said:

 

​Very low compared to who? The royal we? The pro's of the game? Because for me I would love a player on my team who can make 850 damage. I would consider him a good player because most players (a good 90 percent) make one pen all game and die. 90 percent are complete rubbish, who could be outplayed if the brain of stick insect was controlling the opposition tank via neural interface.

 

850 dmg is 2 shots in amx 105.. more than 1.. but not much more ;)

 

In the old light mm, perhaps dmg didn't matter that much and winrate did say more. But now, i guess like 30 of battles you are toptier in 3/5/7 (in a tier10 light at least) and then you are kind of forced to be a damage dealer as well. Taking that into consideration 850 dpg is really low and obviously that translates into wr as well.

 



_Anarchistic_ #16 Posted 11 December 2017 - 12:59 AM

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View PostHugSeal, on 11 December 2017 - 12:25 AM, said:

 

Someone doing a bit better than "complete rubbish, who could be outplayed if the brain of stick insect was controlling the opposition tank" is not automatically doing good. Less bad, yep. Good, nope.

 

Where are your sources for 90% of players doing 1 shot worth of damage per game? Because that is very far from what I and whoever calculates wn8 has observed.

 

​curiosly2 shots of damage per game was quoted by QB on stream a few weeks back

jugilismaani #17 Posted 11 December 2017 - 01:11 AM

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Checked your stats and you are not spotting stuff. 1.6 spots is way too low for a tier X light tank. Purely for comparison, I have 1.8 average spots in my IS-7 and 4.89 (actually lol'd when I saw this, everything above 3 is enough) in my T-100.

 

During the first minute your only objective is to spot as many things as you can while staying alive. Even if your team is not very competitive they will react if they see 10 tanks going to a single direction. And if they don't, they will sometimes. And if no one else is capable of using the info about where important enemies are going, you can use it and plan your actions accordingly. 



OreH75 #18 Posted 11 December 2017 - 01:14 AM

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View Post_Anarchistic_, on 11 December 2017 - 12:59 AM, said:

 

​curiosly2 shots of damage per game was quoted by QB on stream a few weeks back

 

I think he meant 2 shots "extra" per game if you want to start to improve. With current meta, without a lot of passive spotting positions and being toptier in a 3/5/7 or 10/5 matchup I think at least 2 clips of damage are required to help the team to win and thus keep up your own winrate.

TungstenHitman #19 Posted 11 December 2017 - 02:04 AM

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You're probably not doing too much wrong. As I've ALWAYS said, you look at results and there's usually the reasons displayed for you to see. Both teams get it's share of stupids but some days they get stacked a little bit more on your team. Was the same for me today, 2 days ago was 76% win rate, very much the other end of the scale, today was 43%, even though I did all I could and didn't play too bad for most battles. 

 

Problem I had today was just too many totally clueless twonks, beyond bad, just shocking and neither me nor you are good enough to carry that many offsets. I also had a lot of black round battles in which I was just trying to grind out my stupid tier8 BC to a finish(which cant come soon enough) and it just rained clueless sh****s. The thing is, I don't know this and so I scout and scout hard and they just blocked me at the start costing those crucial seconds or I died with targets right under their noses was shocking.. this was probably as bad as it got for pain, 1 vs 6, tried to carry hard, only had 8 gold which I had used to make certain vs a kv13 then reset the cap over and over and over vs two HTs and with 1 minute left, just needed to reset the cap once more, my shots "failed to pen" a T150.. was just the evening that was in it... but thats this game for you, never mind and just move on. Better and worse times ahead.

 

Seriously though I'm f***ing sick of LTs and cant be shot of this BC soon enough

 

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ExclamationMark #20 Posted 11 December 2017 - 03:26 AM

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In general you will get more damage the more you lose, if you are consistently the last person alive. This either means that you play too passively or know when a game isn't winnable and play it safe until you lose, to get more out of it. Though I have a feeling it isn't the latter. :hiding:




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