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_Anarchistic_ #1 Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:04 PM

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just had a game on ruinberg encounter and it was a 3 minutes hammering, and when I check player stats it was obvious why.

 

my team had entirely new players, all under 3000 games and as a result low wr% but the opposition were all over 20k games and mostly 50% or over WR% with 2 exceptions who were in a platoon and hag 5k games and 67%wr so probably rerolls anyway

add in new players in tier8 premiums doing 0 damage and you have a bad match up

 

I am not bothered by wr%, like everyone else I started not having a clue but I do wonder if its time WG added games played to the MM?



MeetriX #2 Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:07 PM

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Uninstall XVM?



jaxo #3 Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:11 PM

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Is this idea to make rerollers life easier?

View Post_Anarchistic_, on 10 December 2017 - 05:04 PM, said:

 

I am not bothered by wr%, like everyone else I started not having a clue but I do wonder if its time WG added games played to the MM?

 

If you don't care about WR why are you here?

You shouldn't cry, after all you don't bother victory or defeat.



Balc0ra #4 Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:14 PM

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As we have seen, having more battles don't indicate they are better. And as you said, alt accounts are a factor to on the lower end.

 



Dava_117 #5 Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:14 PM

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There are players with 50K battle and 45% WR. Battle count is not a good parameter to describe players performance. And skill based mm it's not good for the game.

Edited by Dava_117, 10 December 2017 - 05:15 PM.


_Anarchistic_ #6 Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:14 PM

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View PostMeetriX, on 10 December 2017 - 05:07 PM, said:

Uninstall XVM?

 

View PostMeetriX, on 10 December 2017 - 05:07 PM, said:

Uninstall XVM?

 

?? don't use XVM, never mentioned XVM

View Postjaxo, on 10 December 2017 - 05:11 PM, said:

Is this idea to make rerollers life easier?

 

If you don't care about WR why are you here?

You shouldn't cry, after all you don't bother victory or defeat.

 

​its not the win or loss as such, its the imbalance, and rerollers would be an issue

Jigabachi #7 Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:16 PM

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There are players with 50.000 matches played who still play at the level of a new player, so the matchcount is entirely pointless.
You'd have to pick another variable, or a whole set. That said, I think that we already discussed something like that one or two times. Maybe someone should consult the search function...

_Anarchistic_ #8 Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:18 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 10 December 2017 - 05:14 PM, said:

As we have seen, having more battles don't indicate they are better. And as you said, alt accounts are a factor to on the lower end.

 

 

View PostDava_117, on 10 December 2017 - 05:14 PM, said:

There are players with 50K battle and 45% WR. Battle count is not a good parameter to describe players performance. And skill based mm it's not good for the game.

 

View PostDava_117, on 10 December 2017 - 05:14 PM, said:

There are players with 50K battle and 45% WR. Battle count is not a good parameter to describe players performance. And skill based mm it's not good for the game.

 

​agreed, but as we all know from often bitter experience this games takes a long time to learn, for me nearly 15k games and finding streamers like Orzy and QB etc

 

also there are I am sure plenty games won where I am sure the boot been on the other foot but I have never bothered looking after a fast win so perhaps that adds balance??



RamRaid90 #9 Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:20 PM

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Games played should not, and will never, factor into the match maker.

 

It is a useless statistic that doesn't mean anything, this would not improve the game in any way, shape or form.

 

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Homer_J #10 Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:28 PM

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View Post_Anarchistic_, on 10 December 2017 - 04:04 PM, said:

 a platoon and hag 5k games and 67%wr so probably rerolls anyway[snip]

 

 

I do wonder if its time WG added games played to the MM?

So those rerolls could have an even higher win rate?

 

Also....

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my team had entirely new players, all under 3000 games

is clearly a lie as you have many more battles.  This was your chance to lead the way.



JocMeister #11 Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:32 PM

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View Post_Anarchistic_, on 10 December 2017 - 05:04 PM, said:

just had a game on ruinberg encounter and it was a 3 minutes hammering, and when I check player stats it was obvious why.

 

my team had entirely new players, all under 3000 games and as a result low wr% but the opposition were all over 20k games and mostly 50% or over WR% with 2 exceptions who were in a platoon and hag 5k games and 67%wr so probably rerolls anyway

add in new players in tier8 premiums doing 0 damage and you have a bad match up

 

I am not bothered by wr%, like everyone else I started not having a clue but I do wonder if its time WG added games played to the MM?

 

I just had a game where our top tier Tiger I with 28k games managed to flip himself against a wall on Ensk in 2nd minute. He had 4k games in the Tiger 1. 41% WR. 520 DPG. 

 

Number of games is irrelevant. An idiot will still be an idiot after 20k games.



Dava_117 #12 Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:35 PM

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View Post_Anarchistic_, on 10 December 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

 

 

 

​agreed, but as we all know from often bitter experience this games takes a long time to learn, for me nearly 15k games and finding streamers like Orzy and QB etc

 

also there are I am sure plenty games won where I am sure the boot been on the other foot but I have never bothered looking after a fast win so perhaps that adds balance??

 

Still depends on the player. After 5-6k games, in example, I was already a good with HTs.

And after almost 15K I still garbage on LTs...



_Anarchistic_ #13 Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:39 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 10 December 2017 - 05:28 PM, said:

So those rerolls could have an even higher win rate?

 

Also....

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my team had entirely new players, all under 3000 games

is clearly a lie as you have many more battles.  This was your chance to lead the way.

 

​I tried !!  top damage on both teams,only player to kill on my team and last man down

 

have to accept the reroll problem tho

 

best close this thread I guess, seems a universally bad idea !!

 



Red_Dragon_Firkraag #14 Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:45 PM

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The only thing that MM based on games played total causes is that it makes the playability of lower tiers dependent on the current growth of the playerbase, which is something Wargaming already tries to avoid by the Credits economy (forcing you to play middle tiers regularly to keep them populated if you are a freeloader, see also: http://forum.worldof...n-every-battle/ (guide is old, but in its core still true)).

 

Bad Idea, this will increase MM waiting times for newer players because they'll have to wait for other newer players to come to be able to play, and if the game is old enough, they can wait hours upon hours.


Edited by Red_Dragon_Firkraag, 10 December 2017 - 05:48 PM.


vasilinhorulezz #15 Posted 10 December 2017 - 06:32 PM

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Actually,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they do :hiding:.



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View Post_Anarchistic_, on 10 December 2017 - 05:04 PM, said:

just had a game on ruinberg encounter and it was a 3 minutes hammering, and when I check player stats it was obvious why.

 

my team had entirely new players, all under 3000 games and as a result low wr% but the opposition were all over 20k games and mostly 50% or over WR% with 2 exceptions who were in a platoon and hag 5k games and 67%wr so probably rerolls anyway

add in new players in tier8 premiums doing 0 damage and you have a bad match up

 

I am not bothered by wr%, like everyone else I started not having a clue but I do wonder if its time WG added games played to the MM?

 

Considering i've seen 1k players play better than 50k players,

and considering you have re-rollers,

no.



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For sure you was top tier, you have seen the stats and you have not helped the team. Players with 1-2 k battle, 300-600 WN8, bottom tier, can actually win a battle against unicums. Do you know why? They don't know about rattings, stats, camping places, if they see an enemy they will shoot, they ill try to help. If you help this players instead of insulting him, you will have a nice battle, a good victory or a close defeat

Bennie182 #18 Posted 10 December 2017 - 09:44 PM

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another useless topic...

Jbnn #19 Posted 12 December 2017 - 10:21 AM

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We already have a pinned thread in which to discuss MM.
I will have to close this thread. Please avoid creating thread for topics that are already under discussions somewhere else.


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