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Poll: Hellcat nerf status (95 members have cast votes)

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Is the Hellcat too nerfed?

  1. yes (43 votes [45.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.26%

  2. no (52 votes [54.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 54.74%

Do you play/enjoy your nerfed Hellcat?

  1. yes (46 votes [48.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.42%

  2. no (49 votes [51.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.58%

How's the win-rate in your Hellcat these days?

  1. Awesome (33 votes [34.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.74%

  2. Average (50 votes [52.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.63%

  3. Poop-poor (12 votes [12.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.63%

In case of a buff, what should be improved?

  1. Acceleration (17 votes [17.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.89%

  2. Turret-speed (13 votes [13.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.68%

  3. Armor (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Reload-time (8 votes [8.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.42%

  5. All of the above (9 votes [9.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.47%

  6. Lower the actual tier of the TD (3 votes [3.16%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.16%

  7. None of the above (45 votes [47.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.37%

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znapper74 #1 Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:09 PM

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Hmm.....

 

What happened to the Hellcat?

 

It's like playing a lead-lined paper-tank, with a locked steering-wheel, but with a great gun, sitting on a turret that is barely working.

You need to turn the whole tank just to re-aim these days.

 

Also, the engine/weight-ratio....there must be something going on here, because, if you have 40 soccer-fields to accelerate on, I am sure it will reach top-speed, unless there's a small bump somewhere.

 

I hardly seeing one at all these days, I was stupid enough to grind my way towards one, since I used to feel it's wrath and I rarely read forums :P

 

What a disappointment. :(

 

Anyone here playing it these days?

 

 


Edited by znapper74, 11 December 2017 - 10:19 PM.


SuedKAT #2 Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:15 PM

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I just unlocked mine, have played 32 game in it so far with a 65,63% winrate and 2351 WN8 so I can't complain, it's still a very capable machine and I can only imagine how strong it was before it was nerfed to the sate it's in today.

 

Edit: To answer this: In case of a buff, what should be improved?

Reverse speed.

 

Due to this I can't complete the poll.


Edited by SuedKAT, 11 December 2017 - 10:20 PM.


Desyatnik_Pansy #3 Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:17 PM

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I never played it before the nerfs, and I think it's OP As it is. Sure if you want to be the next sealclubbing ****ter you should just buy the T67 Instead and put your crew there, but otherwise Hellcat is a very solid tank.

captainpigg #4 Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:17 PM

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Biased poll, need option for no buff required.

 

ps It did, I feel anyway get a mobility buff with the physics change.


Edited by captainpigg, 11 December 2017 - 10:21 PM.


FluffyRedFox #5 Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:18 PM

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Played it after the nerf, its still a very nice and capable tank. If this is it post-nerf then I'd hate to see what it was like pre-nerf.

Also can you add an "I don't think it needs a buff" option for the poll because I can't answer the poll due to the last question.



znapper74 #6 Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:19 PM

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I added an option for none of the above in the poll for buff :)

Sorry, forgot that. ^^



ecefec #7 Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:21 PM

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I get 3MOE on my after the nerf. One of best tier 6. Awsome sniper/spoter. Yes spoter in pasive spot places. 

znapper74 #8 Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:22 PM

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Maybe I am just spoiled by my T67, it can (literally) run circles around the Hellcat. :D

 



captainpigg #9 Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:29 PM

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View Postznapper74, on 11 December 2017 - 09:22 PM, said:

Maybe I am just spoiled by my T67, it can (literally) run circles around the Hellcat. :D

 

 

From what I posted in the T67 subsection

Spoiler

a nerfbat is no-where enough for that bloody tank.



250swb #10 Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:30 PM

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But you still have a negative win rate in your T67 so it's not all that awesome is it? The Hellcat is still a great tank, and it isn't meant to 'run circles' around other tanks so that is a misguided comparison. It could do with a reverse speed buff, that's all.

Edited by 250swb, 11 December 2017 - 10:33 PM.


znapper74 #11 Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:45 PM

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I play the T67 way to aggressively, so I tend to die a lot in it. (fun as hell though). :)

 

The Hellcat, the way it is today, is perhaps best served with a slightly weaker gun and then moved to Tier V, because as of now, it behaves more or less like my S35 CA (slow, no armor, etc, but a good gun).

The speed of a TD brings it out, so I find a long-range sniper worse to deal with than the T67's usually (because they are so fun to drive).



commer #12 Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:47 PM

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Someone has a serious case of "needs to l2p". Hellcat before the nerf was broken as hell. It was one of the few tanks back in the day that boosted your wr by 10%. Remember that. Defender helps you 3-4.5%. I remember having 61% WR in mine when my overall stats were 50% flat. Let that sink in. 

 

Also nope it's still a good TD. Swede is worse, German's are worse, Brit at8 and church gc is worse, french arl v39 is worse, So basically the only better TD is su-100. So the 2nd best in class tank must be buffed because it's too weak. Good one. 



commer #13 Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:49 PM

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View Postznapper74, on 11 December 2017 - 10:45 PM, said:

I play the T67 way to aggressively, so I tend to die a lot in it. (fun as hell though). :)

 

The Hellcat, the way it is today, is perhaps best served with a slightly weaker gun and then moved to Tier V, because as of now, it behaves more or less like my S35 CA (slow, no armor, etc, but a good gun).

The speed of a TD brings it out, so I find a long-range sniper worse to deal with than the T67's usually (because they are so fun to drive).

 

Stop taking drugs. 72kph an 22 hp/t is slow speed and LIKE THE S35? Are you mad? Even with bad terrain resist Hellcat has the mobility comparable to some slower lights like the type64/62

suvicze #14 Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:49 PM

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I agree, reverse speed buff to like 17-20 is all this tank needs. At maximum a bit of a buff to turret traverse dispersion on top of that to like 0.15 from 0.19 would be enough.

It still has good gun overall and good camo and view range and it can reach suitable position fast enough. The only real problem it has is with retreating back to cover in time because of horrible reverse speed and same as Scorpion G for example you cant just turn around and run like with med/light tank.



captainpigg #15 Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:51 PM

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View Postcommer, on 11 December 2017 - 09:47 PM, said:

Also nope it's still a good TD. Swede is worse, German's are worse, Brit at8 and church gc is worse, french arl v39 is worse, So basically the only better TD is su-100. So the 2nd best in class tank must be buffed because it's too weak. Good one. 

 

Actually I would rate the Jackson as 2nd (or tied for 1st), so Hellcat 3rd best then. Also remember the At8 is about to get a rather major buff shortly as well.

Edited by captainpigg, 11 December 2017 - 10:52 PM.


znapper74 #16 Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:56 PM

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View Postcommer, on 11 December 2017 - 10:49 PM, said:

 

Stop taking drugs. 72kph an 22 hp/t is slow speed and LIKE THE S35? Are you mad? Even with bad terrain resist Hellcat has the mobility comparable to some slower lights like the type64/62

 

Because of the missing acceleration and the same reverse-speed, as well as the completely non-existent turret-speed, yes, they are very similar to play.
- On a flat stretch, the Hellcat will pull away, after a few hours :D

ZlatanArKung #17 Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:56 PM

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Hellcat is a decent T6 TD. No need to change anything.

250swb #18 Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:57 PM

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View Postznapper74, on 11 December 2017 - 09:45 PM, said:

I play the T67 way to aggressively, so I tend to die a lot in it. (fun as hell though). :)

 

The Hellcat, the way it is today, is perhaps best served with a slightly weaker gun and then moved to Tier V, because as of now, it behaves more or less like my S35 CA (slow, no armor, etc, but a good gun).

The speed of a TD brings it out, so I find a long-range sniper worse to deal with than the T67's usually (because they are so fun to drive).

 

Now is the time to stop digging the hole you are in any deeper.

znapper74 #19 Posted 11 December 2017 - 11:04 PM

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View Post250swb, on 11 December 2017 - 10:57 PM, said:

 

Now is the time to stop digging the hole you are in any deeper.

 

I play for fun, is this your job?

commer #20 Posted 11 December 2017 - 11:04 PM

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View Postcaptainpigg, on 11 December 2017 - 10:51 PM, said:

 

Actually I would rate the Jackson as 2nd (or tied for 1st), so Hellcat 3rd best then. Also remember the At8 is about to get a rather major buff shortly as well.

 

Jackson is slightly better for weaker players but Hellcat has a higher skill celling since speed is good if you know how to play. Especially since Jacksons armor is still not enough to really exploit it vs anything but t4's and stock t5's. 

 

AT8 will get a buff but it's still a slow tank with a low alpha pew pew pew gun. No flexibility + low alpha are a problem for good performance. It will be bearable but it will be better only in the hands of bad players

 

View Postznapper74, on 11 December 2017 - 10:56 PM, said:

 

Because of the missing acceleration and the same reverse-speed, as well as the completely non-existent turret-speed, yes, they are very similar to play.
- On a flat stretch, the Hellcat will pull away, after a few hours :D

 

They are in no way similar to play. First of all Hellcat has a turret. It's a HUGE advantage. Second of all S35a has 12hp/t and 35kph while hellcat has 22hp/t and 72kph. Sorry but you comparing their speed is just plain dumb. Yeah hellcat isn't as fast as a light tank but IT SHOULDN'T be. It has a gun that's on a medium that's on a tier higher. It still accelerates fine on hard and medium terrain, it does it slowly only on soft. That still means in 2/3 of the situations it will be doing 55kph+. So comparing it to a tank that NEVER reaches above 35kph makes no sense. Yeah hellcat reverses slow because it is not meant as a peek-a-boom tank. It was meant to fire out of cover. Even the pre nerf Grille that everyone cried it was broken had Terrible traverse speed and slow reverse. So you are saying hellcat having similar speed to a TD with similar mobility to a German heavy? Stop smoking crack. 

 

This topic is silly. You just want a tank with light tank mobility and a 240 alpha gun with decent dpm, pen and accuracy. Complaining hellcat isn't that is like Complaining the Maus doesn't go 40kph. Get a grip and get gud.

 

to compare the mobility of both tanks look here:

https://tanks.gg/com...ellcat?t=s35-ca

 

Hellcat is better at EVERYTHING and in most cases BY A LARGE MARGIN


Edited by commer, 11 December 2017 - 11:06 PM.






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