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Condono #1 Posted 12 December 2017 - 03:03 PM

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So, I decided to shoot at enemy tank and with the bush(that's what I thought at that time) front of me making me remain invisible.

I expected myself to be safe from detection but I paid it with my life. Once I shot I got instantly detected and killed. Later I checked the replay to find out what caused this and I realized that the bush was actually fallen tree that rendered front of me and caused me to think that I am in cover,far enough so that the bush does not become transparent once I shoot. Decided to share my failure. Have this happened to you? Share your own failures if you have any.


Edited by Condono, 12 December 2017 - 03:05 PM.


__H3H3__ #2 Posted 12 December 2017 - 03:06 PM

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Playing this game every single day for 5 hours straight for an M60 is my biggest failure.

Edited by another_Ghost_Shell, 12 December 2017 - 03:06 PM.


Dava_117 #3 Posted 12 December 2017 - 03:08 PM

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Fallen tree works as bushes. May be someone else spotted you.

Link_to_Insanity #4 Posted 12 December 2017 - 03:11 PM

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Fallen trees count as bushes. Did you pull back until the bush became translucent through your sniping reticle before you fired?

 

If not then firing would have given you away.



Quaksen #5 Posted 12 December 2017 - 03:12 PM

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I suggest you read this:

http://wiki.wargamin...nics#Camouflage

Specifically the part called "environmentCamo"

:bush:



CmdRatScabies #6 Posted 12 December 2017 - 03:15 PM

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View PostLink_to_Insanity, on 12 December 2017 - 03:11 PM, said:

Fallen trees count as bushes.

 

But they don't necessarily give the same amount of camo - not all bushes are created equal.

Condono #7 Posted 12 December 2017 - 03:44 PM

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Edit: Looked up the video comments official Wot camo clip and noticed that people say that it is oudated, decided to remove rest of my comment.

 

Thanks for comments everyone. Learnt something today. Thanks, everyone.


Edited by Condono, 12 December 2017 - 03:47 PM.


Ankara_Aatu #8 Posted 12 December 2017 - 03:49 PM

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Those tanks are so close that they might spot you through the bush when you fire. Your tank still has worse camo when firing, even if you keep the environmental camo.

Condono #9 Posted 12 December 2017 - 04:04 PM

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Just did some testing and noticed that large fallen trees don't actually provide cover effect but smaller fallen trees do. Basically, when I pushed over the small tree it still provided me with the grey silhouette as if I were behind a bush but when I did the same thing to a big tree then there was nothing. So I can only assume that larger trees don't provide cover while smaller ones do. The tree that I showed in original picture was actually large spruce so I can only assume that it did not provide actual cover?

 

Or am I wrong?

 

Edit: Only a few trees with little foliage did not provide it.


Edited by Condono, 12 December 2017 - 06:24 PM.


Spurtung #10 Posted 12 December 2017 - 04:14 PM

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View PostLink_to_Insanity, on 12 December 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

Did you pull back until the bush became translucent through your sniping reticle before you fired?

I would recommend you to have a look at the image on the top right, named II.


Edited by Spurtung, 12 December 2017 - 04:14 PM.


Condono #11 Posted 12 December 2017 - 04:48 PM

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Edit: Too late I noticed that more people had posted after editing. Ankara_Aatu might correct and they might have just been too close.

 

 

 


Edited by Condono, 12 December 2017 - 05:49 PM.


Strappster #12 Posted 12 December 2017 - 05:10 PM

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It's a common misconception that being 15m behind a bush makes you invisible when firing. It greatly increases your camo value but the only way to guarantee you won't be spotted is to double-bush.

 

Using the WotInfo camo calculator, a Scorpion with camo paint, 100% camo skilled crew, BiA and running food and being 15m behind medium density bushes (25%) will be spotted by a stock T29 at 248.07m when firing.



250swb #13 Posted 12 December 2017 - 05:14 PM

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View PostCondono, on 12 December 2017 - 03:04 PM, said:

 

Or am I wrong?

 

Yes you are wrong.



Enforcer1975 #14 Posted 12 December 2017 - 05:32 PM

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Wait....you can shoot from behind a bush and remain unspotted? :amazed:



Condono #15 Posted 12 December 2017 - 06:09 PM

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View PostStrappster, on 12 December 2017 - 06:10 PM, said:

It's a common misconception that being 15m behind a bush makes you invisible when firing. It greatly increases your camo value but the only way to guarantee you won't be spotted is to double-bush.

 

Using the WotInfo camo calculator, a Scorpion with camo paint, 100% camo skilled crew, BiA and running food and being 15m behind medium density bushes (25%) will be spotted by a stock T29 at 248.07m when firing.

 

Ahh, thanks, this clears it up then. The T29 was closer than 240 so it was as you said.

Edited by Condono, 12 December 2017 - 06:12 PM.


Bordhaw #16 Posted 12 December 2017 - 06:14 PM

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 12 December 2017 - 04:32 PM, said:

Wait....

 



Enforcer1975 #17 Posted 12 December 2017 - 06:23 PM

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View PostBordhaw, on 12 December 2017 - 06:14 PM, said:

 

 






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