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dimethylcadmium #1 Posted 14 December 2017 - 09:27 PM

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What do you think WG has in store for the Duck? Are they just gonna give it an HD model? Are they gonna make it a medium? Buff it?

I think SARL42 would fit the ELC line more appropriately. AMX40 -> G1R just makes so much more sense to me.

 

Buffing the premium ammo penetration from 91 to around 120-140 for the top gun would be awesome, especially against KV-1 flat parts. 

 

Also kinda unfair how D.W.2 gets 130 prem ammo with preferential MM while AMX40 gets 91 HEAT pen against T-150s, O-Is, T-34-85Ms....



Balc0ra #2 Posted 14 December 2017 - 09:34 PM

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WOT console made it a medium not long ago. Tho then it lost the camo on the move. But then again, there it does 50 on flat ground, and 60 downhill.  Tho it takes a few to get to speed.

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View PostBalc0ra, on 14 December 2017 - 08:34 PM, said:

WOT console made it a medium not long ago. Tho then it lost the camo on the move. But then again, there it does 50 on flat ground, and 60 downhill.  Tho it takes a few to get to speed.

 

Wat. If I look at the Console Tankopedia, it's still a Light, it has the same engine, p/w, gun, you name it. Unless they just haven't updated that. :unsure:

dimethylcadmium #4 Posted 14 December 2017 - 09:48 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 14 December 2017 - 09:34 PM, said:

Tho then it lost the camo on the move.

 

How can it lose something it never had? AMX 40 has slightly worse camo than Matilda. It doesn't even get the camo LT bonus.



Dava_117 #5 Posted 14 December 2017 - 09:56 PM

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AMX is a meme tank. If it get pen buff, it would be OP in tier 4.

Compared to DW2, it has far more reliable armour.

And I have AMX40, so I'm not saying this because I don't like it. :)


Edited by Dava_117, 14 December 2017 - 09:57 PM.


dimethylcadmium #6 Posted 14 December 2017 - 09:59 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 14 December 2017 - 09:56 PM, said:

AMX is a meme tank. If it get pen buff, it would be OP in tier 4.

Compared to DW2, it as far more reliable armour.

And I have AMX40, so I'm not saying this because I don't like it. :)

 

I have one too, i don't think it's OP, because you see a lot of tier 5/6 tanks. 

 

It's not OP with pen buff either, because it has standard MM and very low DPM. It needs the pen buff for when its bottom tier, so you can shoot something other than HE at some tanks.



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View PostBalc0ra, on 14 December 2017 - 08:34 PM, said:

WOT console made it a medium not long ago.

 

It was always treat as a medium on the PC version in all but crew.

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View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 14 December 2017 - 09:43 PM, said:

 

Wat. If I look at the Console Tankopedia, it's still a Light, it has the same engine, p/w, gun, you name it. Unless they just haven't updated that. :unsure:

 

I played it last week.. It was a med. And no... they don't update that often. KV-1S split was updated 10 months later.

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Easy, as soon as paints are available at tier 4, paint it yellow with an orange bill.

Balc0ra #10 Posted 14 December 2017 - 10:47 PM

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View PostSpurtung, on 14 December 2017 - 10:45 PM, said:

Easy, as soon as paints are available at tier 4, paint it yellow with an orange bill.

 

See.. I suspected they would add a duck skin to it or something, the way they spoke about it on the update video when they said the AMX is the only one left. I suspect they saved it for last on purpose.

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View Postdimethylcadmium, on 14 December 2017 - 09:59 PM, said:

 

I have one too, i don't think it's OP, because you see a lot of tier 5/6 tanks. 

 

It's not OP with pen buff either, because it has standard MM and very low DPM. It needs the pen buff for when its bottom tier, so you can shoot something other than HE at some tanks.

 

That's true, but you don't balance tanks vs higher tier. 130-140 HEAT, while being reasonable vs tier 6, would basically change AMX40 in a new padding machine in tier 4. And remember that even bottomtier you still see 7 tier 4.

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View PostDava_117, on 15 December 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

 

That's true, but you don't balance tanks vs higher tier. 130-140 HEAT, while being reasonable vs tier 6, would basically change AMX40 in a new padding machine in tier 4. And remember that even bottomtier you still see 7 tier 4.

 

You don't get it. 130-140 HEAT would make it more useful against Tier 5 and 6 and it would change nothing for Tier 4, because with current 91 pen HEAT you can pen 99% of Tier 4 tanks, even Matilda and B2 so no difference vs Tier 4

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View Postdimethylcadmium, on 16 December 2017 - 07:59 PM, said:

 

You don't get it. 130-140 HEAT would make it more useful against Tier 5 and 6 and it would change nothing for Tier 4, because with current 91 pen HEAT you can pen 99% of Tier 4 tanks, even Matilda and B2 so no difference vs Tier 4

 

Someone forgets the tier V derp guns from the PzIV, M4, and M10 got their HEAT nerfed from 150 pen for a reason.

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View PostDava_117, on 15 December 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

 

That's true, but you don't balance tanks vs higher tier. 130-140 HEAT, while being reasonable vs tier 6, would basically change AMX40 in a new padding machine in tier 4. And remember that even bottomtier you still see 7 tier 4.

 

The gun would still be slow and would still have accuracy issues.

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View PostHomer_J, on 16 December 2017 - 09:10 PM, said:

 

Someone forgets the tier V derp guns from the PzIV, M4, and M10 got their HEAT nerfed from 150 pen for a reason.

 

Someone forgets that AMX 40 has 110 damage, 1100 (one thousand one hundred) DPM and the gun is not a howitzer..

 

View PostDracheimFlug, on 16 December 2017 - 09:11 PM, said:

 

The gun would still be slow and would still have accuracy issues.

 

This. You'd still have trouble, but at least you'd have a chance of penning them. That's the purpose of premium ammo, to be able to penetrate higher tiered tanks, something AMX 40 can't do, no matter how willing you are to bleed credits.

 


Edited by dimethylcadmium, 16 December 2017 - 09:50 PM.


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AMX 40 HD remake:

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wotfrance789 #17 Posted 16 December 2017 - 10:46 PM

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The Duck has devalued wih many new tanks can now pen it. Was amazing to play as top tier, only Matilda and Luchs could pen it. Now many more tanks make it difficult. At same time WoT nerf the ELC Bis so that is now also very poor to play. The Russian coders don't like the French. :izmena:

mickleblade #18 Posted 16 December 2017 - 11:01 PM

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they could make it the 1st amphibious tank, able swim across the prorvodka lake! 

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View PostHomer_J, on 16 December 2017 - 11:10 PM, said:

 

Someone forgets the tier V derp guns from the PzIV, M4, and M10 got their HEAT nerfed from 150 pen for a reason.

 

Are you suggesting the duck should get an 10.5mm derp?

 

The 75 mm is shared with other tanks but could be made a special version for the duck only, just put a D behind the name.



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AMX 40s buff is dabbing '2' twice.

 

Same works for the DW2.

 

Very good stat-padding tanks.






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