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Dr_Oolen #1 Posted 15 December 2017 - 09:39 AM

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So bois, i thought id write up a bit on the greed box situation this year and perheaps make you think twice before throwing money at WG buying overpriced and useless boxes.

 

Last year for a price of around 1E you would always get:

- SEVERAL high level thingies for your tree

- 250 gold and had a fairly high chance of getting some extra gold. As far as i remember even if you were to never get any extra gold, you were basically paying for that 250 gold at a rate similar to if you were buying ~7500 gold at once. But as i said, as far as i remember on average in every fifth box youd get at least 250 extra gold.

 

So by buying around 5E worth of boxes last year youd get guaranteed 1250 gold, 15+ things for your tree and on average 250+ extra gold. Basically youd never get anything useless and you knew exactly what you were buying. (for purpose of these calculations im ignoring the t8 premiums)

 

Come 2018 - for approximately 5E (5x as much as last year) you are guaranteed to get only:

- 2 things for your tree/garage thingies

- 250 gold

- 1 extra thingy that might be worth nothing at all (emblems, credits, t4 premium tank that you simply dont care about and would never buy on your own and that you wont play more than once even if you get it) or a thing that might be worth on average 500 gold. Now of course it depends what the probabilities are, but dont kid yourselves, the 1 day of prem, 250 gold, inscriptions and 100k credits will have by far the highest priority, 3 days of prem, 500 gold and 500k credits will have the 2nd highest priority and the rest will be so rare to get that the chance is you wont see any of those unless you buy 10+ boxes. Hell, even if all the possible "gifts" had exactly the same probability, the average worth of all the things you can get is 680 gold (this assumes worth of emblems/inscriptions and the credits to be 0, because thats the actual worth as far as im concerned). 

 

Thus for ~5E in best case scenario (all the "gifts" having the same probability) you are getting only 2 things for the garage thing and 930 worth of gold (that is if you consider the t4 premiums worth their value in gold, i personally would value the tanks as 0, nothing.  (for purpose of these calculations im ignoring the t8 premiums)

 

 

So, comparing last year and this year:

 

2017: 5E buys you 15+ things for garage; 1500 gold

2018: 5E buys you 2 things for garage and at best 930 stuff worth of gold, out of which on average only ~ 350 will be actual gold and the rest will be useless things.

 

Think twice whether you want to support this insanity.

 

EDIT: apparently 5E doesnt buy 1 box but 3 boxes, so it isnt that terrible. Also the worse levels of rewards are more likely, so its still fairly poor value for the money, but its not as terrible as i thought.


Edited by Dr_Oolen, 15 December 2017 - 10:39 AM.


etody77 #2 Posted 15 December 2017 - 09:51 AM

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It's players greed, to have a Type 59, not WG greed. They gived you what you wanted. I#m happy whithout paying so much

jack_timber #3 Posted 15 December 2017 - 09:57 AM

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Well last year got everything, just on last day, without buying anything just hope this year it's the same:)

The_Georgian_One #4 Posted 15 December 2017 - 10:00 AM

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Well, screw the festive atmosphere than. I really don't need to get to tier 10 this year. For a split of second I though about buying 1 box. Nah, I'd rather buy 3 days of premium instead, thank you very much.

the_bloody_fox #5 Posted 15 December 2017 - 10:07 AM

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Isn't this box thing very close to gambling again? I thought a company already got banned in europefor random loot boxes?



Sharp1903 #6 Posted 15 December 2017 - 10:08 AM

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Last year, I bought event gifts but nothing happened, no special tank or anything else. This year, I will not buy anything, cuz when you start to buy, you keep doing it again and again until getting a special tank. I will not do it again. 

Steve_McC #7 Posted 15 December 2017 - 10:12 AM

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It's pretty disgusting to be honest. Tease a community with nice rewards like the Type 59, then show the community that by gambling large amounts of money for appaling value items you might just get lucky, guaranteed someone is buying 4 £85 gift boxes hoping to get a Type 59.

 

Basically gambling.

 

Was better last year where the cost was reasonable and a little fun as you tried to max a single type of xmas decor in the garage.



Dr_Oolen #8 Posted 15 December 2017 - 10:16 AM

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View PostSteve_McC, on 15 December 2017 - 10:12 AM, said:

It's pretty disgusting to be honest. Tease a community with nice rewards like the Type 59, then show the community that by gambling large amounts of money for appaling value items you might just get lucky, guaranteed someone is buying 4 £85 gift boxes hoping to get a Type 59.

 

Basically gambling.

 

Was better last year where the cost was reasonable and a little fun as you tried to max a single type of xmas decor in the garage.

 

Yeah, last year id hardly call it gambling because you ALWAYS got more than you paid for and apart from a chance of getting bonus t8 prem you knew pretty much exactly what you are getting. This year not only will you most of the time not get stuff worth the money, but half of what you get is decided purely by rng...

EmeRiCo91 #9 Posted 15 December 2017 - 10:19 AM

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View PostDr_Oolen, on 15 December 2017 - 08:39 AM, said:

So bois, i thought id write up a bit on the greed box situation this year and perheaps make you think twice before throwing money at WG buying overpriced and useless boxes.

 

Last year for a price of around 1E you would always get:

- SEVERAL high level thingies for your tree

- 250 gold and had a fairly high chance of getting some extra gold. As far as i remember even if you were to never get any extra gold, you were basically paying for that 250 gold at a rate similar to if you were buying ~7500 gold at once. But as i said, as far as i remember on average in every fifth box youd get at least 250 extra gold.

 

So by buying around 5E worth of boxes last year youd get guaranteed 1250 gold, 15+ things for your tree and on average 250+ extra gold. Basically youd never get anything useless and you knew exactly what you were buying. (for purpose of these calculations im ignoring the t8 premiums)

 

Come 2018 - for approximately 5E (5x as much as last year) you are guaranteed to get only:

- 2 things for your tree/garage thingies

- 250 gold

- 1 extra thingy that might be worth nothing at all (emblems, credits, t4 premium tank that you simply dont care about and would never buy on your own and that you wont play more than once even if you get it) or a thing that might be worth on average 500 gold. Now of course it depends what the probabilities are, but dont kid yourselves, the 1 day of prem, 250 gold, inscriptions and 100k credits will have by far the highest priority, 3 days of prem, 500 gold and 500k credits will have the 2nd highest priority and the rest will be so rare to get that the chance is you wont see any of those unless you buy 10+ boxes. Hell, even if all the possible "gifts" had exactly the same probability, the average worth of all the things you can get is 680 gold (this assumes worth of emblems/inscriptions and the credits to be 0, because thats the actual worth as far as im concerned). 

 

Thus for ~5E in best case scenario (all the "gifts" having the same probability) you are getting only 2 things for the garage thing and 930 worth of gold (that is if you consider the t4 premiums worth their value in gold, i personally would value the tanks as 0, nothing.  (for purpose of these calculations im ignoring the t8 premiums)

 

 

So, comparing last year and this year:

 

2017: 5E buys you 15+ things for garage; 1500 gold

2018: 5E buys you 2 things for garage and at best 930 stuff worth of gold, out of which on average only ~ 350 will be actual gold and the rest will be useless things.

 

Think twice whether you want to support this insanity.

 

5E is 3 boxes tho....

Not saying its any better.


Edited by EmeRiCo91, 15 December 2017 - 10:21 AM.


EmeRiCo91 #10 Posted 15 December 2017 - 10:20 AM

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View PostSteve_McC, on 15 December 2017 - 09:12 AM, said:

It's pretty disgusting to be honest. Tease a community with nice rewards like the Type 59, then show the community that by gambling large amounts of money for appaling value items you might just get lucky, guaranteed someone is buying 4 £85 gift boxes hoping to get a Type 59.

 

Basically gambling.

 

Was better last year where the cost was reasonable and a little fun as you tried to max a single type of xmas decor in the garage.

 

I bought the big pack. Got everything but the 1000 gold in them. Overall still over 50k gold and a month premium + 3 t8 premiums.

Edited by EmeRiCo91, 15 December 2017 - 10:23 AM.


Dr_Oolen #11 Posted 15 December 2017 - 10:30 AM

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View PostEmeRiCo91, on 15 December 2017 - 10:19 AM, said:

 

5E is 3 boxes tho....

Not saying its any better.

 

I see, also in the meantime fgts from clan bought some boxes and confirmed that the lowest gifts are indeed way more likely than the better ones. So even then its basically 5E for 750 gold + on average 500 gold, and 6 things for tree, which is still worse value than last year and still more random. Meh. Not a complete rip off as i thought, but still not really worth it as far as im concerned.

Cobra6 #12 Posted 15 December 2017 - 10:31 AM

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After the shitstorm that EA managed to kick up with lootboxes you'd think WG would be smarter......But no, they just went into "Hold my beer!" mode straight away.

 

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maldito06 #13 Posted 15 December 2017 - 10:34 AM

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took 11 boxes , 20 euros more or less , i ercived 4k gold , 11 days of premium , lorraine 40t , and others 2 tier 4 prem tanks , and a lot of consumables . 

i guess i was lucky ? 

 

nice event wg , im surprised ..in a good way ,,,gg



dennez #14 Posted 15 December 2017 - 10:38 AM

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Truth be told there seems to be a pretty big chance of a tier 8 prem dropping.. I spent €30 on boxes and ended up with a lots of trinkets, garage slots, 3x tier 4 prems but also a T26E5, 12K gold and about 15 days of prem.. Worth it.

adameitas #15 Posted 15 December 2017 - 10:39 AM

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hmm isnt one box worth 500 gold? or i got this Each box contains at least its value in Gold equivalent wrong? i mean if you buy 11 box bundle you get 5500 gold and bonuses?

JaffaStar #16 Posted 15 December 2017 - 10:43 AM

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for your ~ 5 GBP you will get minimum exactly the amount of gold or premium days that are worth now in Premium Shop ... So .. If you are unlucky , you will get nothing extra .. and most of those who buy will get the minimum of prizes ... So , it is very well calculated to not be gambling .. They are smart .. very smart 

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View Postadameitas, on 15 December 2017 - 10:39 AM, said:

hmm isnt one box worth 500 gold? or i got this Each box contains at least its value in Gold equivalent wrong? i mean if you buy 11 box bundle you get 5500 gold and bonuses?

 

Dont think so.. I dont recall getting a minimum of 500 gold in all boxes. With the value they probably also see the garage slots as 50 gold value.

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View Postdennez, on 15 December 2017 - 09:43 AM, said:

 

Dont think so.. I dont recall getting a minimum of 500 gold in all boxes. With the value they probably also see the garage slots as 50 gold value.

 

crap then.. so it might be that you can even went in minus in some cases.. getting all those garages you really dont need.. i guess the most unlucky gonna be guys that have patriot and gonna win t26e5..

JaffaStar #19 Posted 15 December 2017 - 10:54 AM

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It is big the temtation to buy a set of 11 boxes ... But i am the unluckyest person alive , and i am sure that i will get the worts of the worst prizes in all of them :):) . So , i better pass this one :):) 

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Also.. I just decorated all my shizzle to level V and only need to upgrade the the snowman to get to level X festive, which granted me some female crew members, a LOT of % discounts up to tier 9.

 






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