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Poll: French HT line - opinions (57 members have cast votes)

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What you think about the AMX 65t (tier VIII)?

  1. Utterly overpowered and definitely needs a nerf. (1 vote [1.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.75%

  2. Strong and competitive tank. Might be slightly too good, even. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Fairly good tank. (2 votes [3.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.51%

  4. Average. (5 votes [8.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.77%

  5. Below average, pretty lacking but usable. Might need a small buff. (3 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  6. Bad tank and needs a buff, (7 votes [12.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.28%

  7. Absolutely terrible piece of trash and needs a noticeable buff. (39 votes [68.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 68.42%

What you think about the AMX M4 mle. 51 (tier IX)?

  1. Utterly overpowered and definitely needs a nerf. (5 votes [8.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.77%

  2. Strong and competitive tank. Might be slightly too good, even. (23 votes [40.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.35%

  3. Fairly good tank. (15 votes [26.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.32%

  4. Average. (8 votes [14.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.04%

  5. Below average, pretty lacking but usable. Might need a small buff. (2 votes [3.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.51%

  6. Bad tank and needs a buff. (2 votes [3.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.51%

  7. Absolutely terrible piece of trash and needs a noticeable buff. (2 votes [3.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.51%

What you think about the AMX M4 mle. 54 (tier X)?

  1. Utterly overpowered and definitely needs a nerf. (1 vote [1.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.75%

  2. Strong and competitive tank. Might be slightly too good, even. (1 vote [1.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.75%

  3. Fairly good tank. (13 votes [22.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.81%

  4. Average. (20 votes [35.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.09%

  5. Below average, pretty lacking but usable. Might need a small buff. (13 votes [22.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.81%

  6. Bad tank and needs a buff. (5 votes [8.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.77%

  7. Absolutely terrible piece of trash and needs a noticeable buff. (4 votes [7.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.02%

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Kolmiopaavo #21 Posted 17 December 2017 - 09:07 PM

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View PostTeravius, on 17 December 2017 - 09:53 PM, said:

So play Super Conqueror if you need 120 mm gun, this tank is unique with its 130 and should be played that way. Its like why to even grind this for 120mm? that one is not to be taken seriously.

 

Because 250/280 pen just doesent cut it in tier 10.

Teravius #22 Posted 17 December 2017 - 09:09 PM

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I see your point, but that doesnt meant it doesnt fit its playstyle. It just says its not competetive.

leggasiini #23 Posted 17 December 2017 - 10:17 PM

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Im gonna use the 130 mm, just sake of having some kind of niche (very high alpha on non-slow HT). It does have much better mobility and accuracy than Type 5 with 14cm so I can work around with it.

 

Tier 9 review coming tomorrow instead of today, still need 20k XP for the tier 10 and couldnt get it today. Sorry.



vonadnan #24 Posted 17 December 2017 - 10:37 PM

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Started french heavy line, had some skilled crew in barracks, thinking whatahell lets try it. Now I see you and Angel saying this.. Maybe stick to autoloader line? :-)

leggasiini #25 Posted 17 December 2017 - 10:42 PM

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View Postvonadnan, on 17 December 2017 - 11:37 PM, said:

Started french heavy line, had some skilled crew in barracks, thinking whatahell lets try it. Now I see you and Angel saying this.. Maybe stick to autoloader line? :-)

 

The autoloaders are not the best either unless your a very good player, and even then I think that the 50 100 and 50 B have had their better days than they do have now.

vonadnan #26 Posted 17 December 2017 - 10:51 PM

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Yes, just what I was thinking, plus have t57 and works well for me,50b now..have doubts, as I'm above average but not nearly very good :-) Will see how it will go,maybe they buff 65 when they see your tred ;-)

_Bundesheer_ #27 Posted 17 December 2017 - 11:25 PM

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Other problem with tier 8 is that tarded MM pushing you against tier 10.

mani_GGr #28 Posted 17 December 2017 - 11:56 PM

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I finished T9 yesterday and bought t10 (skipped shitty AMX 65t completely).

 

One important point: big guns on both t9 and t10 are crap. 120mm has much better soft stats, can snapshot suprisingly well.

In general the T9 one is nice, I liked it. It is very mobile for a heavy. When you are top tier you just crapon everyone. Against t10 on the other hand... this tank gets autopenned everywhere by HEAT or 320+ APCR. Turret has an easy to hit and paper cupola. LFP is crap. Front cheeks are only 150mm as well. Turret and hull sides are paper, and since the turret is very long, you will get shot and penned everytime you turn the turret just a bit.

Also arta just rapes this tank - every direct hit kills a crew member, I got pissed to the point of mounting spall liner... 

 

To sum up, playing this tank is fun - I finished 200k xp grind in 2 days with 68% winrate :B

 

I played only few games in t10... feels like a downgrade actually. This tank gets completely raped by SConqs and 113/5A as soon as they find "2" key. Obviously it cannot sidescrape which makes things even worse. IMO it needs either a depression buff to -10 or a ROF buff. 9s for 400dmg on a t10 heavy is bs.



clixor #29 Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:05 AM

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Sad to hear that the tier10 isn't that competitive. After 65t grind and solid T9 experience you except, at least somewhat, equally competitve tank at tier10.

 

It's the same with the amx30 and (pre-buffed) 30b. I didn't even buy the 30b when i unlocked, might as well stay at the tier9. And perhaps i'll do the same with this line. Until WG buffs it ofcourse, which inevitably will happen sometime.



leggasiini #30 Posted 18 December 2017 - 09:27 PM

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Tier 9 review added!

 

Added a poll as well so we can get a fast global image of what people thinks about the new Frenchies :)



CaptainThunderWalker #31 Posted 18 December 2017 - 11:24 PM

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Dunno, I am not planning on playing this line. I wanted to grind towards it but quit the line at the BDR G1B because it's a keeper and for me it only looks like it is going to get a LOT worse at the higher tiers.

So beh. I'll quit why I am ahead. I am not going to grind that Tier VIII without a premium account, the Tier VII looks painful enough already.

 

So I only have an impression from facing those tanks, and that's not a good one - my T29 rolled up to an AMX 65t without taking much damage and dealt a lot of damage to it. However, I had arty support from a BC 155 55, and the AMX did not and got just pummeled.

Outside of that I rarely faced them - which shows how little interest there is for this line and the few times I did I had clean shots into the side of the tank which is hardly representative about the tanks' armor for all kinds of obvious reasons, nor firepower really (the turret was facing the other way).

 



tajj7 #32 Posted 19 December 2017 - 10:18 AM

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Started accumulating the free XP to get the tier 9 last night, I had like 40k gold from the boxes so I am well stocked. 

 

No way I am playing the 65t, it clearly has the same problem as the AMX M4 45, it has no real role, WG need to learn that different types of heavies can work, not every heavy needs to be an armoured battering ram like a Super Heavy that you can play without a brain, like the Conqueror, like the Tiger 1, like the T-10 etc.

 

But to do that, they need a combination of either very good gun + DPM (Tiger 1), good gun + super gun handling + some usable armour (Conq), good gun + mobility (T-10).   That is how these sort of heavies are successful, they are either amazing support heavies with firewpower a level above what is on tier (almost like TDs) or they are heaviums with decent mobility to slip into a medium role or able to bully lower tiers.

 

The M4 45 and the 65t have none of this, they have no armour really at all, average HP, bad gun handling, average DPM and average to poor mobility.

 

I mean what is the point of going 35kph with no armour and a 90mm gun on tier 7 when you can get a Tiger 1 that'll go as fast, has 300 more HP, has better gun handling and about 25% more DPM, or an IS that also goes 35kph, has 390 alpha and has some troll armour?

 

These tanks have no point, no real role to play or ability to leverage. 

 

Anyway, think I am planning to use the 130mm when I get the tier 10, sure the premium round sucks but I used it on test and found the tank workable, don't see much point aside going slightly faster of the 120mm when you can use a Super Conqueror which has better handling, better DPM, more gun depression, more side armour. 

 

Hitting for 560 on a fairly mobile platform and decent gun handling for such a big gun just worked for me. The M4 54 looks like a good medium bully to me. 



leggasiini #33 Posted 19 December 2017 - 10:29 AM

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View Posttajj7, on 19 December 2017 - 11:18 AM, said:

Started accumulating the free XP to get the tier 9 last night, I had like 40k gold from the boxes so I am well stocked. 

 

No way I am playing the 65t, it clearly has the same problem as the AMX M4 45, it has no real role, WG need to learn that different types of heavies can work, not every heavy needs to be an armoured battering ram like a Super Heavy that you can play without a brain, like the Conqueror, like the Tiger 1, like the T-10 etc.

 

But to do that, they need a combination of either very good gun + DPM (Tiger 1), good gun + super gun handling + some usable armour (Conq), good gun + mobility (T-10).   That is how these sort of heavies are successful, they are either amazing support heavies with firewpower a level above what is on tier (almost like TDs) or they are heaviums with decent mobility to slip into a medium role or able to bully lower tiers.

 

The M4 45 and the 65t have none of this, they have no armour really at all, average HP, bad gun handling, average DPM and average to poor mobility.

 

I mean what is the point of going 35kph with no armour and a 90mm gun on tier 7 when you can get a Tiger 1 that'll go as fast, has 300 more HP, has better gun handling and about 25% more DPM, or an IS that also goes 35kph, has 390 alpha and has some troll armour?

 

These tanks have no point, no real role to play or ability to leverage. 

 

Anyway, think I am planning to use the 130mm when I get the tier 10, sure the premium round sucks but I used it on test and found the tank workable, don't see much point aside going slightly faster of the 120mm when you can use a Super Conqueror which has better handling, better DPM, more gun depression, more side armour. 

 

Hitting for 560 on a fairly mobile platform and decent gun handling for such a big gun just worked for me. The M4 54 looks like a good medium bully to me. 

 

I would opt for mobility buffs and gun buffs on both M4 45 and 65t. M4 45 being unarmored makes sense because it leads to autoloaders with no armor, so buff the mobility and guns on that. 65t should have bad hull but good turret, so it is a logical transition between tier 7 and 9. In addition its mobility should be on par with tier 9/10 and the guns need buffs.

 

I would do this for the 65t:

 

  • buff turret armor from 250 to 270, remove the "lip" weakspot and fix the mantlet
  • significantly reduce terrain resists
  • buff bloom on all guns by 10-15%
  • buff aiming time on 100 mm from 3 sec to 2.3-2.4 sec
  • buff aiming time on 120 mm from 2.7 to 2.5 sec
  • move the 120 mm to be before the M4 51 on the research path, but drop the research cost of M4 51 by 48k XP

 

As for the tier 10, IMO the 130 mm gun is indeed a way to go despite the shitty prem pen. 560 alpha is way bigger upgrade than 470 alpha is compared to 400, and the improvements the 120 mm gets VS tier 9 is pathetic. Will unlock the 130 mm gun today, played only one game so far with 120 mm but it feels literally like M4 51 strapped to tier 10. The improvements it gets is just pathetic, so the 130 mm will make or break the tank.


Edited by leggasiini, 19 December 2017 - 10:29 AM.


leggasiini #34 Posted 19 December 2017 - 07:10 PM

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I don't know guys, I am actually enjoying the AMX M4 54 quite a bit ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

The 130 mm gun is way better gun, though. Yes the pen sucks but its workable because the GH is actually quite ok for that alpha. 400 alpha + 2.2k DPM is just so trash on the 120 mm gun, and with 2.2k HP and that huge platform it just trades extremely poorly. At least 130 mm has crapton of alpha damage.

 

I can't do my final judgement yet, though. Will keep using the 130 mm because at least it gives it some form of niche, with 120 mm its basically the tier 9 but buffed by mere 10% and slapped to tier 10. Review coming in like 1-2 days.



leggasiini #35 Posted 22 December 2017 - 08:10 PM

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Tier 10 added. Done few additional changes to the review as well.



bellyfering #36 Posted 28 December 2017 - 06:40 PM

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I agree that the Tier 8 is a big piece of crap.

No mobility, below average gun, no armor (even at the turret), NO mobility.

Utterly useless tank. Thanks Wargaming for my wasted time.

But a BIG thanks goes to the streamers that did NOT mentioned its BAD armor and its VERY bad mobility.


Edited by bellyfering, 28 December 2017 - 06:44 PM.


Andersch #37 Posted 05 January 2018 - 02:42 PM

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"AMX M4 45 is just...bad."

 

I agree, M4 45 tier7 felt like crap. Slow, poor armor, big bloom, long aim time, long reload. low alpha, poor accuracy and not enough gun depression.

BUT: Was it _really_ crap??    I played 33 matches to get the XP needed for the tier 8, and guess what: 76 % win. 

I think the answer must be that i probably would have to play 100-200 matches more, to see if the stats changes much, but initially, based on 33 matches, its not bad.

It just FEELS LIKE CRAP  :rolleyes:

 

I copy from the game Stats on the vehicle, and i believe i also made credits running it, so its not like i spammed 100% gold with it.

So basically, i dont regret selling it, but the whole experience feels a little like the 110, which i had also pretty good stats on, but didnt like.

 

 



SlyMeerkat #38 Posted 05 January 2018 - 02:49 PM

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I have yet to do those new tanks so cant really say, yet

Lord_Edge #39 Posted 05 January 2018 - 03:49 PM

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I've only played against them but didn't find any of them OP or weak, just felt like fighting a green Liberte.

brumbarr #40 Posted 05 January 2018 - 04:06 PM

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The 120mm gun tier10 compared to the tier9 makes me think of the E50M, basicly the same tank as the tier9, but at tier10.

Man I hate that tank.






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