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My impressions of the 2nd French HT line

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Poll: French HT line - opinions (57 members have cast votes)

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What you think about the AMX 65t (tier VIII)?

  1. Utterly overpowered and definitely needs a nerf. (1 vote [1.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.75%

  2. Strong and competitive tank. Might be slightly too good, even. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Fairly good tank. (2 votes [3.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.51%

  4. Average. (5 votes [8.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.77%

  5. Below average, pretty lacking but usable. Might need a small buff. (3 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  6. Bad tank and needs a buff, (7 votes [12.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.28%

  7. Absolutely terrible piece of trash and needs a noticeable buff. (39 votes [68.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 68.42%

What you think about the AMX M4 mle. 51 (tier IX)?

  1. Utterly overpowered and definitely needs a nerf. (5 votes [8.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.77%

  2. Strong and competitive tank. Might be slightly too good, even. (23 votes [40.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.35%

  3. Fairly good tank. (15 votes [26.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.32%

  4. Average. (8 votes [14.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.04%

  5. Below average, pretty lacking but usable. Might need a small buff. (2 votes [3.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.51%

  6. Bad tank and needs a buff. (2 votes [3.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.51%

  7. Absolutely terrible piece of trash and needs a noticeable buff. (2 votes [3.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.51%

What you think about the AMX M4 mle. 54 (tier X)?

  1. Utterly overpowered and definitely needs a nerf. (1 vote [1.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.75%

  2. Strong and competitive tank. Might be slightly too good, even. (1 vote [1.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.75%

  3. Fairly good tank. (13 votes [22.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.81%

  4. Average. (20 votes [35.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.09%

  5. Below average, pretty lacking but usable. Might need a small buff. (13 votes [22.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.81%

  6. Bad tank and needs a buff. (5 votes [8.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.77%

  7. Absolutely terrible piece of trash and needs a noticeable buff. (4 votes [7.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.02%

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leggasiini #41 Posted 05 January 2018 - 04:31 PM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 05 January 2018 - 05:06 PM, said:

The 120mm gun tier10 compared to the tier9 makes me think of the E50M, basicly the same tank as the tier9, but at tier10.

Man I hate that tank.

 

E-50M at least gets a fairly meaty penetration upgrade over E 50 which is kinda helpful on current meta. The AMX M4 54 with the 120 is about as big upgrade over the AMX M4 51 as the E 50M is compared to the E 50, without the big penetration upgrade the E 50M gets. 

 

There is literally no reason to play the AMX M4 54 with the 120 mm gun. You either use 130 mm gun (which at least gives it some niche over tier 9 or the Super Conq. + friends) or just play the tier 9 instead.

 

Im finding it somewhat enjoyable with 130 mm gun like I said on review, its fun, but as long as the tier 10 powercreep meta stays the way like it is now, it kinda needs buffs (even though technically its not a bad tank as itself); HP to 2400-2500 (considering how massive it is, side profile is almost as big as an E 100!), 130 mm needs gold pen buff and the 120 mm unarguably needs a DPM buff. It is kind of tank that would have been very balanced an year or so ago but nowadays it cannot compete properly enough with the powerlevel at tier 10. I personally would drop the powerlevel of the tier by nerfing the 1/3 or even the top half of best performing tanks so that the powerlevel would be around the same as year ago. That would indirectly buff the AMX M4 54.


Edited by leggasiini, 05 January 2018 - 04:33 PM.


JocMeister #42 Posted 05 January 2018 - 04:55 PM

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This new line just goes to show just how amazingly bad WG is at balancing their own game. And you know its not intentional when the TX is garbage. If the TX was amazing and the T8 and T9 was crap you know they would have done it on purpose. 



skaduck #43 Posted 19 December 2018 - 09:06 PM

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[edited]this tank OP EVER in t8 all t8 can't pen this [edited]hull nerf hull 180 to 160mm

Edited by skaduck, 19 December 2018 - 09:09 PM.


Dava_117 #44 Posted 19 December 2018 - 09:10 PM

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View Postskaduck, on 19 December 2018 - 09:06 PM, said:

[edited]this tank OP EVER in t8 all t8 can't pen this [edited]hull nerf hull 180 to 160mm

 

Maybe you should aim for the 2 big cupolas on the turret or to the drivewheel. As soon as it's not at autobounce angle the sides are paper too.

Edited by Dava_117, 19 December 2018 - 09:11 PM.


Nishi_Kinuyo #45 Posted 19 December 2018 - 09:17 PM

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View Postskaduck, on 19 December 2018 - 09:06 PM, said:

[edited]this tank OP EVER in t8 all t8 can't pen this [edited]hull nerf hull 180 to 160mm

Git gud?

If it angles even slightly the hull cheeks become weakspots since they're 150mm raw.

And you're 58% WR player?

Makes me wonder how.



_bitter_end_ #46 Posted 20 December 2018 - 07:04 AM

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Should change the poll a bit. If something is strong and competitive, its not necessarily OP... IMO all tanks should be strong and competitive in a way. Perfect example is the m4 51. Its strong and competitive for me and i love to play it, but its nothing OP... This is why i voted on the fairly good option, cause its s&c, but not op. Its a perfect tank.

leggasiini #47 Posted 20 December 2018 - 03:39 PM

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View PostAnhaedra, on 20 December 2018 - 08:04 AM, said:

Should change the poll a bit. If something is strong and competitive, its not necessarily OP... IMO all tanks should be strong and competitive in a way. Perfect example is the m4 51. Its strong and competitive for me and i love to play it, but its nothing OP... This is why i voted on the fairly good option, cause its s&c, but not op. Its a perfect tank.

 

A year old topic that got resurrected by a questionable person, so eh. The review as whole is somewhat outdated anyway (65t is still accurate but M4 51/54 ones are a bit outdated; both of them are rated bit too high I'd say), so eh. I'm not gonna bother.




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