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thestaggy #1 Posted 17 December 2017 - 11:25 AM

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I'm looking to get one of the tier 10 autoloaders but I can't decide which one to get; the BC 25t or the Skoda.

 

I understand that the BC effectively doubles as a scout but what concerns me is the reload and gun handling. The Skoda's gun and damage potential seems significantly better but I understand that its pretty meh in terms of mobility and lacks any sort of defensive measures (poor camo and no armour).

 

What are the pros and cons of each and which would you recommend first? Does the BC 25t play similar to the preceding scouts? I seem to be doing okay in them, so if the line continues I may be comfortable in the BC 25t.



ricoBenitez1 #2 Posted 17 December 2017 - 11:35 AM

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Why didnt you try them out when we had the test server ?

Then you freely could have tried them out and see whitch one you like to drive most.



The_Georgian_One #3 Posted 17 December 2017 - 11:40 AM

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TVP is IMO better. Gun handling, intra and inter clip reload and gun depression make it more flexible and easier to play.

Bat has a potential to clip full hp tanks, which TVP cannot do. And that's the main advantage. It's also more sneaky. Compared to 13 90 it has worse gun handling and longer reload. Actually you can argue TVP has a playstyle more similar to 13 90 than BC.

I'd go for TVP.

Kooallu #4 Posted 17 December 2017 - 11:40 AM

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BC25 gun handling is horrible it takes years and years to aim, but mobility is superb

thestaggy #5 Posted 17 December 2017 - 11:48 AM

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View PostricoBenitez1, on 17 December 2017 - 11:35 AM, said:

Why didnt you try them out when we had the test server ?

Then you freely could have tried them out and see whitch one you like to drive most.

 

In my opinion, the test server does not simulate real game experience.

 

You have very inexperienced players yoloing around and a large amount of high alpha TDs, something that is very uncommon on the live servers. TDs are rare, you are likely not going to encounter 3/4 FV4005s in every battle and the vast amount of tier 10 games, unless on the small maps, can be drawn out. SUperheavies on the live server also seem to last longer than they do on the test server where everyone shoots premium, so that is another thing that affects the pace of the game, super heavies sticking around and requiring more tanks to take them down.


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mondi20 #6 Posted 17 December 2017 - 11:49 AM

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Both are great, TVP is much more versatile and easier to do good in since the low reload time. Bat chat requires better planing but can be very devastating if played right.

Danger_UXB_ #7 Posted 17 December 2017 - 12:24 PM

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Tha Batchat plays nothing like the 1390 believe me..also your duties are different as you are always top tier.and your team will rely on you more to perform.

 

As stated by someone earlier (Although i dont have the TVP) the TVP is alot more flexible with the short intra-clip burst and reload and as such will play more like the 1390 .

 

 

The main difference is with the shorter reloads you do not have to fully disengage in a fight (Shoot and scoot)...with the Bat you do....also the TVP and the 1390 can survive alone a bit better than the Bat due to the

reloads.(Less vunerable in times of need)

 

Also as stated earlier the Bat requires careful planning of your moves

 

Edit;..get the Skoda


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View Postthestaggy, on 17 December 2017 - 11:25 AM, said:

I'm looking to get one of the tier 10 autoloaders but I can't decide which one to get; the BC 25t or the Skoda.

 

I understand that the BC effectively doubles as a scout but what concerns me is the reload and gun handling. The Skoda's gun and damage potential seems significantly better but I understand that its pretty meh in terms of mobility and lacks any sort of defensive measures (poor camo and no armour).

 

What are the pros and cons of each and which would you recommend first? Does the BC 25t play similar to the preceding scouts? I seem to be doing okay in them, so if the line continues I may be comfortable in the BC 25t.

 

 

Skoda is a pure support vehicle. The tank is amazing at delivering damage though the mobility isn't as bad as you say. The bigger problem is meh pen at t10 and that's why the t9 is better t4t. 

 

Overall I think BC25T is just easier to play meh/ok (2000-2200dpg flat) but harder to play very well (above 3000dpg)



etody77 #9 Posted 17 December 2017 - 12:29 PM

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Skoda...no pen at long distances, no armour at close range, no speed and maneuvrability

BC...bad gun handling, no depresion, no elevetion, but who cares when you have good speed, maneuvrability, some armour, good pen, and alpha damage? just go in battle, rape 1 enemy, go out and reload.



Enforcer1975 #10 Posted 17 December 2017 - 12:30 PM

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Skoda over BC. Tried both on SB with 100% crew. I did better with former because the aim time is faster and follow up shots are quick.

rurkovsky #11 Posted 17 December 2017 - 12:56 PM

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Skoda is much more agile than BC. Bat is just faster on straight line but really bad on turning. Skoda is superior damage dealer but lacks many teamplay trades batchat have. IMO good bat player will be good skoda player right away while good skoda player would struggle on bat at start. 

I would choose batchat since You will play autoloaders from 6 tiers, not 9 tier. And tier 9 Skoda is propably most fun in Chech line not T 10



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View Postetody77, on 17 December 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

Skoda...no pen at long distances, no armour at close range, no speed and maneuvrability

BC...bad gun handling, no depresion, no elevetion, but who cares when you have good speed, maneuvrability, some armour, good pen, and alpha damage? just go in battle, rape 1 enemy, go out and reload.

 

 

The hell have you been smoking? TVP is far more maneuverable than the BC. BC only has a (slightly) faster top speed. It's soft stats are horrible compared to the TVP.

 

In summary OP.

 

TVP has the following over BC: Gun Handling, gun depression and elevation, Maneuverability, DPM, Burst damage speed, Reload speed, some (though unreliable) turret armour, more ammo, better view range.

 

BC has: Top speed, Clip damage potential (often unusuable since the time to unload is far too long)


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rurkovsky #13 Posted 17 December 2017 - 01:08 PM

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You have to love when 46% wr potatoes talk about t10 tank they never even play 

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View PostRamRaid90, on 17 December 2017 - 01:02 PM, said:

 

 

The hell have you been smoking? TVP is far more maneuverable than the BC. BC only has a (slightly) faster top speed. It's soft stats are horrible compared to the TVP.

 

In summary OP.

 

TVP has the following over BC: Gun Handling, gun depression and elevation, Maneuverability Turning/Traverse, DPM, Burst damage speed, Reload speed, some (though unreliable) turret armour, more ammo, better view range.

 

BC has: Top speed, Clip damage potential (often unusuable since the time to unload is far too long), camo, penetration, power to weight, terrain resistances on all but hard ground, better prem round for dealing with superheavies. lower side profile

 

 

Don't get me wrong. TVP is amazing but BC25 isn't worse. It's just powerful in a different way. BC25 is MUCH MUCH better in late game when often TVP lacks the clip potential to kill lone tanks, BC has no problems with that and the extra camo it is noticed later. 



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View Postcommer, on 17 December 2017 - 12:16 PM, said:

 

 

Don't get me wrong. TVP is amazing but BC25 isn't worse. It's just powerful in a different way. BC25 is MUCH MUCH better in late game when often TVP lacks the clip potential to kill lone tanks, BC has no problems with that and the extra camo it is noticed later. 

 

The slightly better terrain resistances on soft and medium ground mean nothing with worse effective traverse speed. It's like trying to turn a bus on swamp.

 

Don't get me wrong, the BC is a good tank. But only for the far better players. Average players should stick with the TVP as it's much more forgiving.



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View Postrurkovsky, on 17 December 2017 - 01:08 PM, said:

You have to love when 46% wr potatoes talk about t10 tank they never even play 

 

rurkovsky pls, 46,92 is basically 47. That's one more. 

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View PostRamRaid90, on 17 December 2017 - 01:19 PM, said:

 

The slightly better terrain resistances on soft and medium ground mean nothing with worse effective traverse speed. It's like trying to turn a bus on swamp.

 

Don't get me wrong, the BC is a good tank. But only for the far better players. Average players should stick with the TVP as it's much more forgiving.

 

Slightly better terrain resistances + 3 more hp/t. This means the tank is much faster to accelerate. I get the sluggish turn rate. It is annoying but you get used to that.

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View Postcommer, on 17 December 2017 - 12:27 PM, said:

 

Slightly better terrain resistances + 3 more hp/t. This means the tank is much faster to accelerate. I get the sluggish turn rate. It is annoying but you get used to that.

 

Maybe, personally having only played the BC on test server over the years (struggling with whether I actually want it or not) I cannot comment too much. However, 300+ battles in the TVP has shown me that even a well played BC will struggle to take you down if he can't unload in one sitting. Since you have the far superior gun handling and he has to get very close to even hit a barn door, distance as always is your best friend.

 

For me, a well played solo TVP > A well played solo BC. However a well played BC platoon will completely dominate a game.



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View PostRamRaid90, on 17 December 2017 - 01:37 PM, said:

 

Maybe, personally having only played the BC on test server over the years (struggling with whether I actually want it or not) I cannot comment too much. However, 300+ battles in the TVP has shown me that even a well played BC will struggle to take you down if he can't unload in one sitting. Since you have the far superior gun handling and he has to get very close to even hit a barn door, distance as always is your best friend.

 

For me, a well played solo TVP > A well played solo BC. However a well played BC platoon will completely dominate a game.

 

You are looking at this a bit wrong. You are saying a well played BC will struggle to take you out if he can't unload in one sitting but TVP can't take you out even if he unloads. Also it's bad thinking. You should not try to unload ALL of your clip early on where there are many enemies looking at you. This is why in early game quicker intraclip of the TVP > BC but late game BC>TVP because clip potential means you often take 2-3 tanks in one clip which TVP can't do (because of clip potential + pen ).

 

A well played BC is worse than a well played TVP but a very well played BC is better than a TVP. The problem with BC is it also requires a 4+ skill crew (with full capacity being 5or 6 skill) and food. Then it's a monster. I also hated the BC for a very long time but I have learned a lot on my 13 105 and now i really feel the tank can stomp really hard if you simply adjust to it's strange gameplay.






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