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Urmo345 #1 Posted 22 December 2017 - 11:19 AM

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Bought this tank few days ago. Every single shell goes thru upper frontal armor. It is sloped and extremely thick, yet no help. I place tank so lower plate is hidden, and gonna be blasted out in few seconds by shells penetrating supposedly 150mm armor with ease. It is not card box, it is TD

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Dragonlordcv #2 Posted 22 December 2017 - 11:21 AM

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Who told you that it has armor? How many times did you see it in the battlefield and decided to buy it?



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View PostUrmo345, on 22 December 2017 - 11:19 AM, said:

Bought this tank few days ago. Every single shell goes thru upper frontal armor. It is sloped and extremely thick, yet no help. I place tank so lower plate is hidden, and gonna be blasted out in few seconds by shells penetrating supposedly 150mm armor with ease. It is not card box, it is TD

UFP is not that strong. 

Only bests 200-220 pen guns I think. Many T9 and T10 standard rounds go through UFP of Jagdtiger.

The main issue is that the superstructure is also easy pen if you load those 300+ pen shells. Making its armour rather non-impressive even when hulldown.

 

Buff the superstructure of it, add weakspot on top and then it would be better.



Richthoffen #4 Posted 22 December 2017 - 11:47 AM

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it works, just not against gold spam.

also don't go toe to toe against an other jagdtiger and expect it to hold from point blank, I have surprised many fellow JTiger drivers that way by penning the upper structure on the lower sides next to the gun.

either second line support or push right behind the heavies where the enemy gets less time to aim at you as they don't want to be exposed to long



tajj7 #5 Posted 22 December 2017 - 11:58 AM

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If you ground this out using the JPanther 2, you then should have worked out how to use this tank, hull down using it's gun depression makes the super structure about 260-270 effective and then the mantlet will bounce pretty much anything.

 

The hull is the hull of the Tiger 2, that is not that effective on tier 8, most tier 7s pen this easily. 

 

Jagdtiger needs to know what it is facing, tier 10 guns will go through most of your armour, but most tier 8s and below will struggle with a hull down Jagdtiger even if they use prem ammo. 

 

Seeing as tier 9s these days get loads of game where there are only 3 or 5 tier 9s in a game you can be quite dominant.

 

Plus it has one of the best guns in the game. 3k base DPM with 560 alpha, 276 pen, 1200 m/s shell velocity on an AP round, good gun handling, good accuracy and an amazing APCR premium round. 



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Nice, but its not. In reality, it does not get bounces. It seems to me it is definite red line instrument...:( As so many battles are fought in the cities or tight corners nowadays, where it has no chance whatsoever. No wonder so many  heavy TD's are camping near base, as their vehicle is slow as snail and has paper thin armor.

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It's been powercrept something fierce

 

It used to be extremely good for long range engagements while capable of breaking through tunnel areas, exceptional for holding its ground with proper cover. On some maps like sand river it can still tear holes in the opposition.

 

It never had insane armor for what it was facing, but it was enough to make some surprise bounces back when people still aimed for weakspots and you could bait normal rounds with a little wiggling.

 

but all maps like pearl river or old swamp are gone now, replaced by stuff like pissen or stalincrap that just favour cornerwenk trade shots point blank we hev more tenks we push thru gg.


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ares354 #8 Posted 22 December 2017 - 01:57 PM

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It's not new Tortie, so JT armor will suck hard. 

250mm flat armor wont stop TD from tier 9, and tier 10 TD will auto pen this TD. It's not T95 or Tortie. 

Don't waste time on JT, it's relict of this game. 

Ziurawka #9 Posted 22 December 2017 - 03:09 PM

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I bought it last week but I will be keeping mine in the garage probably.

The biggest weakness of it is the non existent gun traverse (unlike the tort) which makes it impossible to work corners. It seems most maps are made of corners currently.  

It would need a substantial ufp buff to remain competitive in the current meta.



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View PostZiurawka, on 22 December 2017 - 02:09 PM, said:

I bought it last week but I will be keeping mine in the garage probably.

The biggest weakness of it is the non existent gun traverse (unlike the tort) which makes it impossible to work corners. It seems most maps are made of corners currently.  

It would need a substantial ufp buff to remain competitive in the current meta.

 

Somehow I doubt JT will get hull armor buff, because then Tiger II would get the same buff. I personally wouldn't mind these two tanks getting better upper plate but if I remember correctly WG used their fancy tech to measure actual thickness of Tiger II armor so it's historically accurate.  

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I've never played the Jagdtiger, but I know from every encounter with it, that I can reliably pen it's lower half. Not the lower plate, mind you - the lower half of the tank is bad. But otherwise it would be OP with no weakspot whatsoever and a gun to be reckoned with. Altough it's quite big. A few mm of extra armor on that lower part wouldn't hurt - like 20mm more or so.

Ziurawka #12 Posted 22 December 2017 - 03:27 PM

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I don't believe it will ever get it I'm just saying it needs it :p

This is how you say hello to anyone on the other side of a corner in the Jgdtiger. Well that's a weakspot level or armor on a heavy machine isn't it?



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View PostUrmo345, on 22 December 2017 - 10:19 AM, said:

Bought this tank few days ago. Every single shell goes thru upper frontal armor. It is sloped and extremely thick, yet no help. I place tank so lower plate is hidden, and gonna be blasted out in few seconds by shells penetrating supposedly 150mm armor with ease. It is not card box, it is TD

 

I think you are confusing the upper plate and the superstructure.

The UFP is cheese, the superstructure needs roughly 280+ pen to go through.



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Just be glad you ain't driving the JT88 :(

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View PostWarzey, on 22 December 2017 - 03:20 PM, said:

 

Somehow I doubt JT will get hull armor buff, because then Tiger II would get the same buff. I personally wouldn't mind these two tanks getting better upper plate but if I remember correctly WG used their fancy tech to measure actual thickness of Tiger II armor so it's historically accurate.  

wot is not sim and is not historically accurate, so it would be good idea if they make JT bit more fair and buff its armor. Then it can really matter in city maps, and will be not blown away right after spawning on mini maps, because it has no speed or time to take cover...:P



Henschel_131 #16 Posted 22 December 2017 - 04:29 PM

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Tank is over tiered like most German vehicles, would work much better on t8 with real gun.

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View PostHenschel_131, on 22 December 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

Tank is over tiered like most German vehicles, would work much better on t8 with real gun.

 

Well the premium tier 8 JT 88 is almost that and it sucks even more.

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View PostWarzey, on 22 December 2017 - 03:20 PM, said:

 

Somehow I doubt JT will get hull armor buff, because then Tiger II would get the same buff. I personally wouldn't mind these two tanks getting better upper plate but if I remember correctly WG used their fancy tech to measure actual thickness of Tiger II armor so it's historically accurate.  

 

Wonder how WG measured IS 4 and find there on side of turret 230 mm armor and 200. Or on Centurion 1 MK3 turret 250 mm thick plates. Only iconic Germans tanks have historical armor. Even T28 gets fake armor for no reason...

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View Postares354, on 22 December 2017 - 04:04 PM, said:

 

Wonder how WG measured IS 4 and find there on side of turret 230 mm armor and 200. Or on Centurion 1 MK3 turret 250 mm thick plates. Only iconic Germans tanks have historical armor. Even T28 gets fake armor for no reason...

 

I'm sure you remember that WG made a big deal about it a few years ago when they changed Tiger II hull armor from how it's on the JT 8,8 to the current version.

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View PostWarzey, on 22 December 2017 - 05:16 PM, said:

 

I'm sure you remember that WG made a big deal about it a few years ago when they changed Tiger II hull armor from how it's on the JT 8,8 to the current version.

 

Yes, that was funny. They nerfed armor on hull and engine. Now on ST T44 get 820 HP engine, 520 in real life, reasons. 




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