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isaneng #1 Posted 24 December 2017 - 04:03 PM

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Fairly blooming obviously, there are good and bad players in the game. Some of us are a bit old and smell slightly of wee, others are just lacking in co-ordination and situational awareness. Whatever the reason, far too many people seem to push beyond their natural ability levels......

 

Now not everybody expects to play Division 1 football, and after trials, they normally accept the level that their skills fit with. So why do so many WoT players play at a level where they lose more often than they win? I accept some wish to learn, improve etc...   but there are thousands playing above their skill-cap.

 

So where would you prefer to be, (if, like me, u r a bit crap and only play to tier 7), winning more at lower tier or struggling at the top? 

 

Enjoy the holidays everyone, good luck in your tanks. 



ScottishJunky #2 Posted 24 December 2017 - 04:09 PM

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53% Tier 7 because losing half your games isn't that fun.

Homer_J #3 Posted 24 December 2017 - 04:14 PM

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I'd rather have fun than obsess over my win rate.

 

View PostScottishJunky, on 24 December 2017 - 03:09 PM, said:

53% Tier 7 because losing half your games isn't that fun.

Rubbish you can have fun and lose.


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SABAOTH #4 Posted 24 December 2017 - 04:16 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 24 December 2017 - 04:14 PM, said:

I'd rather have fun than obsess over my win rate.

 

Rubbish you can have fun and lose.

 

Quoted.

 

Besides you learn your tank you get better (usually)



isaneng #5 Posted 24 December 2017 - 04:21 PM

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Ok, I have to say I don't find losing to be much fun....

Bennie182 #6 Posted 24 December 2017 - 04:32 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 24 December 2017 - 04:14 PM, said:

I'd rather have fun than obsess over my win rate.

 

Rubbish you can have fun and lose.

don't see that happening very often as most losses are roflstomps...



Ceeb #7 Posted 24 December 2017 - 04:35 PM

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I actually don't care.  

I'll always be a bob so just want to shoot tanks.  

Hexen #8 Posted 24 December 2017 - 04:36 PM

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I personally don't mind what win rate i have as long as I have fun and enjoy the game no matter the tier, when the fun stops then i stop playing.

SABAOTH #9 Posted 24 December 2017 - 04:37 PM

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View Postisaneng, on 24 December 2017 - 04:21 PM, said:

Ok, I have to say I don't find losing to be much fun....

 

Look: on Tier X you are a major asset. If you are not experienced you might drag the win chances down considerably.

 

Everything under tier X gives you a chance to have higher tiers carrying.

 

I would say the most fun tiers to play seriously (weh nyou are not sealclubbing poor newbies) are 7 to 9. However tier 8 suffers a lot from the 3 5 7 formula so currently requires more skill to perform.

 

You need to play in that league to understand how the game works, so after you consistently get more than 50% in tier 7 scale up to 8, and so on.

 

Don't forget that bad player are on the opposite team as well. XVM can help you to learn and improve: if a tomato kills you consistently then you are doing everything wrong. When you can hold against better player means you can move up and not shame your tanks.

 

The guys that you see with 60+% win rate are actually extremely good and can carry lost games to victory. But that is regardless the tier; mechanics are important, expecially spotting and camo with awareness above all. Lower tiers have pretty bad view range with few exceptions, so you will miss this important step if you will not play high tiers.



W0Z #10 Posted 24 December 2017 - 04:38 PM

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View Postisaneng, on 24 December 2017 - 03:21 PM, said:

Ok, I have to say I don't find losing to be much fun....

 

I prefer to lose a good hard fought battle when both teams play well then win a 15-0 rape match when you steamroll the opposition.

hajoittaja #11 Posted 24 December 2017 - 04:41 PM

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Dont really care about wr (as long as it's not bot level, dont want to spoil the game for others), but I rather play mid tiers as I simply can't afford to play high tiers much with all that gold spam and high repair costs. 

SnowRelic #12 Posted 24 December 2017 - 04:47 PM

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View Postisaneng, on 24 December 2017 - 04:03 PM, said:

Whatever the reason, far too many people seem to push beyond their natural ability levels......

 

Enjoy the holidays everyone, good luck in your tanks. 

 

I mostly see people pushing the "W" down and not letting go until they're surrounded and killed. Although knowing people, doing just that might indeed be pushing beyond their natural abilities. Even had a match in the ELC today ... we were up 8-0 and I had done nothing at all because I went to a flank left empty by both sides. Ended the game with a top gun, 1.8K damage and we won 15-14. It's like the players are practising Olympic throwing events en masse...

 

... anyway, the correct answer is indeed have fun. It's game after all. Enjoy the holidays and happy tanking!



Strappster #13 Posted 24 December 2017 - 05:05 PM

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I'm the fat bloke kicking a ball around in the park with a few mates. I might have been alright 20 years ago, maybe stood a chance of getting a trial with a minor team if I'd stuck to the training but I'd never have been in the big leagues. I'm ok with that.

 



speedphlux #14 Posted 24 December 2017 - 05:26 PM

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There are too many shades in between to determine which is better. Just in like in football, there are different set of skills in WoT as well. If we're talking average 53% WR Tier 7 player, there is absolutely no reason why that player shouldn't be able to get 53% WR with Tier 10s as well.

 

Let's say that this 53% guy is a 1,5k WN8 absolute average human being. He knows the maps to some degree, but he is not brilliant and never bothered learning climbs. He knows the tanks, but struggles to penetrate them frontally because of his lack of knowledge on weakpoints. He knows how to scout, but he is never first to light up the enemies coz he is too cautious. He basically gets it, but he is not quite fully in grasp with everything that is happening around him. So what's stopping him from getting 53% WR with Tier 10s ? Absolutely nothing. As a matter of fact, he has the advantage of always being Top Tier in every single battle. The only problem he faces are not his lack of skill or knowledge, but the mindset that everything is super expensive at Tier 10 and repairs are costly and that everything can pen you everywhere and that "everyone is firing gold" (which is rubbish by the way).

Now, jumping from being a sub-50% WR sub-human, to someone who actually at least pulls his weight (1k WN8 and 51% WR), is the real difficulty here. I know that coz I was there for my first 8k battles. 880 WN8 and 48% WR. Quit the game at that stage. After I choose to come back, I deceided that I don't want to be sucking that much, so it took me around a week or two of watching Jingles tank reviews back in the old day when he actually bothered about them. After that, it took me another 4k battles and my record was clear so to speak - 1400 WN8 and 55% WR. Now I'm at a stage where I know how to statpad, but I just couldn't be arsed to. There are far more important things in WoT then just stats. Even now I have my days of 30 odd battles, where I either go full ham and hit 80% WR for the day or completely suck out and can't even break into the 40% WR for that day. Crap happens ! Just accept it and move on. And if it's so frustrating - take a break. WoT ain't the only game you can play you know. I often ditch my tanks for some lightsaber action (Star Wars The Old Republic) :P



8126Jakobsson #15 Posted 24 December 2017 - 05:43 PM

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View PostScottishJunky, on 24 December 2017 - 04:09 PM, said:

53% Tier 7 because losing half your games isn't that fun.

 

53/100 or 50/100 isn't really a noticeable difference so whatever, I say. 

SABAOTH #16 Posted 24 December 2017 - 05:46 PM

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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 24 December 2017 - 05:43 PM, said:

 

53/100 or 50/100 isn't really a noticeable difference so whatever, I say. 

 

One is almost neutral the other means you have a positive influence.

 

Maybe not gigantic number wise, but the difference in terms of skill required is huge.



isaneng #17 Posted 24 December 2017 - 05:54 PM

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Ok, I disagree with Sabaoth, (sorry chap),

 

Well I think I do. I may not, it depends what he meant....

 

The skill required at Tier 7 is nothing like the skill required at Tier 8. Or 9, or 10.

The skill levels don't match for each tier.

 

So, accepting that I am a distinctly average player, I can either do ok - not bad at T6, or 'why is he on my team..' at Tier 8 plus..

 

I know, it's a game, I shouldnt care about numbers, but they are shown in every format, so yes, I kinda do..

 

 



Enforcer1975 #18 Posted 24 December 2017 - 05:55 PM

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As top tier i am probably more useful in a tier 7 tank than in a tier 10 tank....but still more useful than a bot in a tier 10 tank when i drive a tier 8 tank.



Lycopersicon #19 Posted 24 December 2017 - 05:58 PM

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I would take whichever tank I feel like playing at any given moment, regardless of its tier. For myself, the tier makes no difference -  I still derp 90% and do somethign reasonable 10% of the time, and this is what determines how much I enjoy or do not enjoy the game. Going to higher tier than someone thinks I am eligible to go may upset that someone, but disabled chat solves this issue.

SABAOTH #20 Posted 24 December 2017 - 06:01 PM

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View Postisaneng, on 24 December 2017 - 05:54 PM, said:

 

Ok, I disagree with Sabaoth, (sorry chap),

 

Well I think I do. I may not, it depends what he meant....

 

The skill required at Tier 7 is nothing like the skill required at Tier 8. Or 9, or 10.

The skill levels don't match for each tier.

 

So, accepting that I am a distinctly average player, I can either do ok - not bad at T6, or 'why is he on my team..' at Tier 8 plus..

 

I know, it's a game, I shouldnt care about numbers, but they are shown in every format, so yes, I kinda do..

 

 

 

What I told you in short is that you can learn details and minutiae of the game step by step:

  • At Tier 5-6 you learn to aim (rather than autoaim) and use your armor
  • At tier 7 You must learn weakspots
  • At Tier 8-9 You need to bring it to next level and learn the camo and spotting mechanics
  • At Tier 10 You need to develop Awareness and how to do a good positioning for every map according to the enemy tanks types you are facing, plus you need to plan ahead and predict your enemy tactics .
  • Next level is learn how to outperform superior tanks with inferior ones and lower tiers.

 

Difficulty skyrockets but is not that difficult if you practice. If you don't you will just be a good sealclubber but you will be food for skilled players. :girl:

 

pS> just checked your stats, with a recent of 1760 and a consistent 1600 WN8 you are definitely going to do well in Tier 9 - 10.

 

Sure your performances could drop a bit, but you should grasp the mechanics pretty fast.


Edited by SABAOTH, 24 December 2017 - 06:08 PM.





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