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WaffleTiger #1 Posted 25 December 2017 - 12:02 PM

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Have any of you seen this?

 

http://wotreplays.eu...ffletiger-fv207

https://imgur.com/a/GrXUV



Strappster #2 Posted 25 December 2017 - 12:16 PM

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Can you give us a clue rather than starting a thread that's seemingly devoid of content?

RamRaid90 #3 Posted 25 December 2017 - 12:17 PM

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View PostStrappster, on 25 December 2017 - 11:16 AM, said:

Can you give us a clue rather than starting a thread that's seemingly devoid of content?

 

The allied T28 prototype it seems has fallen off the face of the earth.



Strappster #4 Posted 25 December 2017 - 12:24 PM

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View PostRamRaid90, on 25 December 2017 - 11:17 AM, said:

The allied T28 prototype it seems has fallen off the face of the earth.

 

By the third pic he's dead, the icon on the minimap being shaded as a last-spotted location happens when the radio is destroyed because you can't signal your own position to your team.

RamRaid90 #5 Posted 25 December 2017 - 12:25 PM

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View PostStrappster, on 25 December 2017 - 11:24 AM, said:

 

By the third pic he's dead, the icon on the minimap being shaded as a last-spotted location happens when the radio is destroyed because you can't signal your own position to your team.

 

I actually did not know that. Good information.

Strappster #6 Posted 25 December 2017 - 12:45 PM

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I've watched the replay now and there is something weird happening. The T28 Proto. goes unspotted, that's fair enough because he could have taken a hit that destroyed his radio and he re-appears on the minimap about 20s later, at roughly 11.32 replay time. He's later taken out by the enemy STG Guard but when the FV207 goes past his last location, there's no wreck. :ohmy:

 

I'd guess that his initial disappearance was due to being out of line-of-sight when his radio gets destroyed, then after he's finally wrecked the server has a tizzy because he was unspotted by his own team for a while so it doesn't send the wreck location.



Nishi_Kinuyo #7 Posted 25 December 2017 - 01:43 PM

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Or more plausibly: his radio/operator got destroyed, causing him to go unspotted, he moves elsewhere remaining unspotted by the player, and when the player goes to the last know position of the T28 Prot, his wreck can't be found because it moved in between.

Funny though, how a 38k battle player doesn't realise that.


Edited by Nishi_Kinuyo, 25 December 2017 - 01:44 PM.


Strappster #8 Posted 25 December 2017 - 02:13 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 25 December 2017 - 12:43 PM, said:

... when the player goes to the last know position of the T28 Prot, his wreck can't be found because it moved in between.

 

Plausible except that the T28 Proto. reappears on the minimap shortly before he gets wrecked (around 11.32 in the replay) then the OP drives past his last shown location and there's no wreck.



Nishi_Kinuyo #9 Posted 25 December 2017 - 02:31 PM

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View PostStrappster, on 25 December 2017 - 01:13 PM, said:

 

Plausible except that the T28 Proto. reappears on the minimap shortly before he gets wrecked (around 11.32 in the replay) then the OP drives past his last shown location and there's no wreck.

Can't check the replay and none of the screenshots show that either, so...



Strappster #10 Posted 25 December 2017 - 02:50 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 25 December 2017 - 01:31 PM, said:

Can't check the replay and none of the screenshots show that either, so...

 

Ok then ...

 

11:35 - T28 Proto. last known location showing on minimap; presumably radio broken

 

11:32 - T28 Proto. re-appears on minimap in new location

 

11:13 - T28 Proto. disappears again, presumably radio down for second time

 

10:53 - T28 Proto. is wrecked by enemy STG Guard firing from the hill

 

10:28 - OP drives past last known location of the T28 Proto.; no wreck

 

I'd say that wraps this up. The T28 Proto. had his radio wrecked, fixed it, moved, had it knocked out again and was wrecked all while being out of LoS of the OP. Last thing OP's client knew was that the T28P was unspotted so the client doesn't draw the wreck in when he drives past the last location.

 

It'd be interesting to know if the T28P's wreck would have blocked OP or provided cover if he'd hidden behind it.



Nishi_Kinuyo #11 Posted 25 December 2017 - 03:06 PM

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Can the STG even fire at that second last known position from the hillock?

Seems to me like some buildings might be in the way at G3.



Strappster #12 Posted 25 December 2017 - 03:13 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 25 December 2017 - 02:06 PM, said:

Can the STG even fire at that second last known position from the hillock?

Seems to me like some buildings might be in the way at G3.

 

I think there's a shot to that point from the hill but there's nothing to say the STG didn't move and my assumption based on his last spotted position was wrong. The enemy 110 would have lit the Proto by proxy even if he didn't have LoS and the Guard popped up on the 2/3 line to take the shot. I'm not watching the replay again to determine where the STG was wrecked though, I'm happy that the in-game report of the Proto.'s death at his hands happened.

 

The T28 Proto. doesn't have the mobility to have moved too far from his last known position in the 20s between his disappearing for a second time and being wrecked, plus if he had I'd have expected to see the 110 getting the kill.



Browarszky #13 Posted 25 December 2017 - 08:04 PM

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All this rationalizing when it. clearly. is. a. ghost. tank. :ohmy:

Balc0ra #14 Posted 25 December 2017 - 08:30 PM

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Been an arty bug for several patches, I doubt it's mod related as I play vanilla. Noticed it a few times on my M53/54 as I'm grinding it slowly now. Go into arty mode and a TD 20m away from me goes off the map. Goes back into normal mode and he is still gone. Then he magically appears a few min later 100m away, and goes off again the second I got back into arty mode. So I doubt it's due to a dead radio operator or broken radio at that range.

 

And yeah... It's only been vs friendly TD's so far.


Edited by Balc0ra, 25 December 2017 - 08:31 PM.





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