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Do you thik Panther should be changed in game to make them more competitive

  1. Yes (51 votes [51.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.00%

  2. No (26 votes [26.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.00%

  3. I do not play panthers( because they are bad) (14 votes [14.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.00%

  4. I do not play panthers for other reason (9 votes [9.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.00%

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Wayward_Current #1 Posted 30 December 2017 - 11:33 AM

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After played Panthers for long time I feel really tormented.

 

What was by opinion of many experts most advanced mass produced tank of ww2, in game that claims to be on forefont of keeping history on line this tank line is represented by weak line of tanks, including Premium 8.8. Panther, that are not suited for contemporary maps and gameplay.

 

Sniping is definitely NOT IN in current game setting.

 

There has been some tries with increasing speed and armor(a little) but problem is lack of agility, their hughe size and vulnerability and definitive lack of adequate camouflage rating.

 

Is there any chance WG will look on Panthers and try to make them competitive?

 

 

Almost all Panther versions in game have extreme low WR for ages, raging from 46 - 48 %

 

Thank you for support.


Edited by _Poe, 30 December 2017 - 11:40 AM.


Bennie182 #2 Posted 30 December 2017 - 11:38 AM

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I don't see why they should be changed. They have nice pen for it's tier though the Panther has low alpha damage. Mobility is fine as well I think. The reason why people have low win rate on a tank does not mean it's bad. If you know how to play it, they are good and you can sidescrape nicely in it, but not as good as the E-50's. I never played them as snipers, as I hate it to just sit and wait all game for others to spot. It is probably harder to get good games in it then in the past, because of more big tanks being in the game, but still the player makes the tank in most cases.

 

I don't play the Panthers anymore, since I'm on E-50 for a long time already.


Edited by Bennie182, 30 December 2017 - 11:40 AM.


Wayward_Current #3 Posted 30 December 2017 - 11:45 AM

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View PostBennie182, on 30 December 2017 - 11:38 AM, said:

I don't see why they should be changed. They have nice pen for it's tier though the Panther has low alpha damage. Mobility is fine as well I think. The reason why people have low win rate on a tank does not mean it's bad. If you know how to play it, they are good and you can sidescrape nicely in it, but not as good as the E-50's. I never played them as snipers, as I hate it to just sit and wait all game for others to spot. It is probably harder to get good games in it then in the past, because of more big tanks being in the game, but still the player makes the tank in most cases.

 

I don't play the Panthers anymore, since I'm on E-50 for a long time already

 

 

The guns are of course good, but camo rating kills the tank. if it is ment to be sniper

It is big for a medium tank,but in maps 1x 1 km making this real size really represented by bad camo makes it to weak.

They for instance increased engine power for Panther 8.8 in attempt to balance it. ...making it to be semi- flanker, with that size ?In my experience it got nothing to tank capability.

They should increase camo rating for this tanks to make them snipers, or increase DPM of guns and agility if ment to be flankers as other medium tanks, and still because of their size they would be poor to act  as flankers.

So In my opinion simple rising of camo rating for panthers would be best solution.

 

Panthers have low win ratio and low WN 8 efficiency. people are still avoiding them.


Edited by _Poe, 30 December 2017 - 11:53 AM.


eliocoric #4 Posted 30 December 2017 - 11:55 AM

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I hated both Panther and Panther II, literally hated everything about those 2 tanks.
Despite that, i think it's fair that 2 of them aren't good cause E-50 is probably the best tier 9 tank in the game.
 

Edited by eliocoric, 30 December 2017 - 11:58 AM.


brumbarr #5 Posted 30 December 2017 - 11:57 AM

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The tanks are fine, I just grinded them. Dont snipe with them, thats a waste. They have great guns with good pen and gun handling, prob best in tier handling. The platform is fast enough and has 8° of gun dep. That lines tanks are my best performers on every single tier.

Bennie182 #6 Posted 30 December 2017 - 11:59 AM

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View Post_Poe, on 30 December 2017 - 11:45 AM, said:

The guns are of course good, but camo rating kills the tank. if it is ment to be sniper

who says they are supposed to be sniping? besides that: if you look at the current maps there won't be that much sniping.

 

It is big for a medium tank,but in maps 1x 1 km making this real size really represented by bad camo makes it to weak.

They for instance increased engine power for Panther 8.8 in attempt to balance it. ...making it to be semi- flanker, with that size ?In my experience it got nothing to tank capability.

They should increase camo rating for this tanks to make them snipers, or increase DPM of guns and agility if ment to be flankers as other medium tanks, and still because of their size they would be poor to act as flankers. So In my opinion simple rising of camo rating for panthers would be best solution.

their size has nothing to do with being able to flank or not. mobility does and this is something I never had trouble with on this line. the game is about adapting, not just forcing things to be the way you want it to be. there are enough smaller tanks that get bad camo rating as well, so this makes no sense.

these tanks are good armor for their tier, the Panther more then the Panther II, but still. A lot of player don't use that to their advantage. Key is to use the good/better things about a tank to your advantage.

Example: the Chinese meds have bad gun handling, accuracy and the hull armor isn't great. Does that mean they are bad? I don't think so. Use the key strengths of the tank, which is high alpha and mobility and you will be able to farm damage and help the team.

 

Panthers have low win ratio and low WN 8 efficiency. people are still avoiding them.

 



TankkiPoju #7 Posted 30 December 2017 - 12:24 PM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 30 December 2017 - 11:57 AM, said:

That lines tanks are my best performers on every single tier.

 

I only checked Panther 2 from your stats, since that's the biggest turd in the line.

 

You have plenty of tier 8 medium tanks that did a lot better. You have better stats even in Pershing. And Lorr. 40t or Rev? Yeaaah... Not exactly making Panther 2 look that great.

 

Panther 2 is in the game for the same reason as Tiger 2: WG wants people to use free XP past it to tier 9. These tanks will never be buffed.


Edited by TankkiPoju, 30 December 2017 - 12:27 PM.


brumbarr #8 Posted 30 December 2017 - 12:37 PM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 30 December 2017 - 12:24 PM, said:

 

I only checked Panther 2 from your stats, since that's the biggest turd in the line.

 

You have plenty of tier 8 medium tanks that did a lot better. You have better stats even in Pershing. And Lorr. 40t or Rev? Yeaaah... Not exactly making Panther 2 look that great.

 

Panther 2 is in the game for the same reason as Tiger 2: WG wants people to use free XP past it to tier 9. These tanks will never be buffed.

Vk3002m, panther are best by a mile. Even the panther 2, look ar combinend dmg, over 3k. I was at 1200 dpg the first 15ish battles. The last 30 or so i did 2.5k dpg, just took me some time to get used to it.

 

Its just a better tank than the pershing, better pen, better gunhandling, as fast and as armoured. 


Edited by brumbarr, 30 December 2017 - 12:38 PM.


FluffyRedFox #9 Posted 30 December 2017 - 12:43 PM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 30 December 2017 - 12:37 PM, said:

Vk3002m, panther are best by a mile. Even the panther 2, look ar combinend dmg, over 3k. I was at 1200 dpg the first 15ish battles. The last 30 or so i did 2.5k dpg, just took me some time to get used to it.

 

Its just a better tank than the pershing, better pen, better gunhandling, as fast and as armoured. 

How much of a difference does the long 88 make after the not-as-long 88?  



ApocalypseSquad #10 Posted 30 December 2017 - 12:44 PM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 30 December 2017 - 12:37 PM, said:

Vk3002m, panther are best by a mile. Even the panther 2, look ar combinend dmg, over 3k. I was at 1200 dpg the first 15ish battles. The last 30 or so i did 2.5k dpg, just took me some time to get used to it.

 

Its just a better tank than the pershing, better pen, better gunhandling, as fast and as armoured.

 

+1 for this.  Loved the VK3002M and kept it.

brumbarr #11 Posted 30 December 2017 - 01:19 PM

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View Postfishbob101, on 30 December 2017 - 12:43 PM, said:

How much of a difference does the long 88 make after the not-as-long 88?  

Massive difference, the long 88 makes it a completely different tank. You then have best in tier gunhandling , great acc and pen. Prob the best tier8 med gun. You can just snap shots in instead of aiming for a year.



Aphraid #12 Posted 30 December 2017 - 01:24 PM

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I really like my Panther 88. I usually have a good credit income from that tank. If you play it as a support tank rather than a sniper you will be surprised how well it can perform. The upperplate on the front can be used to bait shots around corners before dealing damage. And it's nice to have the good gun handling for those rare sniping occasions. I don't have the Panther nor the Panther 2 anymore but I felt they performed pretty much the same (fully upgraded ofc). It doesnt hurt playing them like a Leopard PTA/1 or a light tank and its nice when you need to take a hit the health and armor is decent enough.

XPuntar #13 Posted 30 December 2017 - 01:55 PM

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Panther for me was crap and that was with "the old" MM.

 

I really dislike that bad scaling  (RoF )  pinochio gun on it.

 

Seriously? 135 damage against tanks with more than 1k hp is just BS! Sniper gun? What sniper gun? Even with really great accuracy stat gun missed a lot even with full aimed circle!

 

Considering that no other tank uses 7,5cm L100 gun WG could easly buff damage to 180/200!!!

 



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View Postbrumbarr, on 30 December 2017 - 12:37 PM, said:

Vk3002m, panther are best by a mile. Even the panther 2, look ar combinend dmg, over 3k. I was at 1200 dpg the first 15ish battles. The last 30 or so i did 2.5k dpg, just took me some time to get used to it.

 

Its just a better tank than the pershing, better pen, better gunhandling, as fast and as armoured. 

 

Sounds promising! Just rebought the 3002M intending to mark it...Already played 100+ games in it earlier with...interesting stats! :trollface:

Exozen #15 Posted 30 December 2017 - 02:16 PM

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Honestly they are not bad tanks , they are just driven by people that start the game and instantly head into the German tree ( Been there done that ehh 2011 ish ). We get it they were awesome beasts in real life, but this is a arcade video game, you don't fight T-34's and M4's , you fight tanks rangeing from 1944-1946.

 

That said they are potent most of them , just not anyting special.



_T_1_T_4_N_0_ #16 Posted 30 December 2017 - 03:02 PM

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Panther is prob a tier higher than it should be and should be out there with the T34s, Cromwells & Shermans.
Same with the Tigers and we prob need additions higher up to allow them to drop a tier.
Prob is what? So guess they are going to stay where they are.

arthurwellsley #17 Posted 30 December 2017 - 03:11 PM

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For me the vk3002M was just so good in it's tier (tier VI), that the tier VII Panther, and Tier VIII Panther II just seemed lacklustre in comparison.

 

However I tend to agree somewhat with something said above. WG likes to have the odd not so good tank in most lines. Although it has been said that "the e50m is weak", I quite like the e50 and e50m, and so I feel that WG will leave the Panther and Panther II as it bit under average for their respective tiers due to the tiers IX and X in the line being slightly above average.



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View Postarthurwellsley, on 30 December 2017 - 03:11 PM, said:

For me the vk3002M was just so good in it's tier (tier VI), that the tier VII Panther, and Tier VIII Panther II just seemed lacklustre in comparison.

 

However I tend to agree somewhat with something said above. WG likes to have the odd not so good tank in most lines. Although it has been said that "the e50m is weak", I quite like the e50 and e50m, and so I feel that WG will leave the Panther and Panther II as it bit under average for their respective tiers due to the tiers IX and X in the line being slightly above average.

Weird, i disliked the vk the most, just cant stand the bad gunhandling, compared with the panther and panther 2 the gun is just so derpy.



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View PostDumbNumpty, on 30 December 2017 - 02:02 PM, said:

Panther is prob a tier higher than it should be and should be out there with the T34s, Cromwells & Shermans.
Same with the Tigers and we prob need additions higher up to allow them to drop a tier.
Prob is what? So guess they are going to stay where they are.

 

So you imply that the most wartime advanced medium tank of WW2 and probably the best tank of WW2 is on the same level as the turds like t34-85 and cromwells?you really are then playing the WRONG game in the WRONG history period which you don't know nothing about it seems

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View Poststormermp, on 30 December 2017 - 03:20 PM, said:

 

So you imply that the most wartime advanced medium tank of WW2 and probably the best tank of WW2 is on the same level as the turds like t34-85 and cromwells?you really are then playing the WRONG game in the WRONG history period which you don't know nothing about it seems

 

Its a WWII tank like they are but ends up in a Tier with the likes of the T29 and others that are mostly post war.
It was built to counter the T34 and did and the whole line is sort of an odd fit.
Then again the Russians just after the war came out with the IS3 and that is T8.
Panther could be a top T6 tank as like you say it was top of the game at that time.

Panther & Tiger where amazing tanks in history but in this game they are just mweh, so maybe your right lols.
 




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